Bergantino HT112ER Question

[SteveC]

I am considering this cab. I currently use a Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0-12T combo. I like it. It's convenient to move and sounds good, but I have been told the Berg with say a Shuttle 9.0 would be way better.

I am also debating a Presonus Channel Strip for a preamp and then a power amp of some sort and the Berg.

Would this cab be considered "flat" or "even" and a good candidate for a preamp/power amp rig? Is the Shuttle 9.0 just as good/better and easier?

Thoughts please?

[Bass Junkie]

Originally Posted by SteveC

I am considering this cab. I currently use a Genz Benz Shuttle 6.0-12T combo. I like it. It's convenient to move and sounds good, but I have been told the Berg with say a Shuttle 9.0 would be way better.

I am also debating a Presonus Channel Strip for a preamp and then a power amp of some sort and the Berg.

Would this cab be considered "flat" or "even" and a good candidate for a preamp/power amp rig? Is the Shuttle 9.0 just as good/better and easier?

Thoughts please?

I've been all over the place with amps with my HT112ER. Best sounding is the Crest CA9 with a Demeter or Navigator pre, but it weighs a ton. All of the micros I've tried have pretty much been a disappointment considering what these cabs are capable of. The Shuttle 9.0 would probably be among the better ones to choose. The best head I've found that's not too bad to move around and sounds absolutely stellar with these cabs is the Eden WT800B. The WT400 is no slouch either with the ER's.

[Tim1]

Mine sounds great with my Markbass SA450 (essentially the LMII).

[woolysock]

I use an Aguilar AG500 with my HT112ER. Sounds great. Warm, smooth, fat, clear. Maybe the best word to describe the sound is rich. The head only weighs 18 lbs.

[Tone Meister]

Originally Posted by Bass Junkie

I've been all over the place with amps with my HT112ER. Best sounding is the Crest CA9 with a Demeter or Navigator pre, but it weighs a ton. All of the micros I've tried have pretty much been a disappointment considering what these cabs are capable of. The Shuttle 9.0 would probably be among the better ones to choose. The best head I've found that's not too bad to move around and sounds absolutely stellar with these cabs is the Eden WT800B. The WT400 is no slouch either with the ER's.

I too have a single HT112ER and have tried several amplifiers recently, including an EBS TD660, a Demeter HBP1/Crest setup, a Shuttle 9.0, and an Eden WT405. As Bass Junkie stated, the preamp/power amp setup is awesome, but it defeats the purpose with its weight. Either the Shuttle 9.0 or the Eden is absolutely killer, depending on your personal tone goals.

The Shuttle 9.0 is a great micro amplifier, is loaded with features, and sounds great through the ER. The Eden WT amps have a voice of their own, which may or may not appeal to you, and sound even better than the Shuttle to me.

[Bass Junkie]

Originally Posted by Tone Meister

I too have a single HT112ER and have tried several amplifiers recently, including an EBS TD660, a Demeter HBP1/Crest setup, a Shuttle 9.0, and an Eden WT405. As Bass Junkie stated, the preamp/power amp setup is awesome, but it defeats the purpose with its weight. Either the Shuttle 9.0 or the Eden is absolutely killer, depending on your personal tone goals.

The Shuttle 9.0 is a great micro amplifier, is loaded with features, and sounds great through the ER. The Eden WT amps have a voice of their own, which may or may not appeal to you, and sound even better than the Shuttle to me.

I've used Eden amps in the past and I usually would agree with you about the WT's having their own voice, but I'm finding with the ER cabs the WT800 has the ability to sound quite natural and the EQ is a lot more responsive than with other cabs. I have not been in a room yet where I was not able to dial in a great sound very quickly. I have never been happier with a rig in 35 years than this one.

btw, My ER experience with the WT405 was not nearly as good as the WT800 or WT400.

[Whitbass]

has anyone considered or tried the Hartke LH1000 with the ERs??

[jokerjkny]

Originally Posted by woolysock

I use an Aguilar AG500 with my HT112ER. Sounds great. Warm, smooth, fat, clear. Maybe the best word to describe the sound is rich. The head only weighs 18 lbs.

agreed, rich indeed...

thought the shuttle was a nice sounding amp w/ the HT112ER. but preferred the shuttle w/ the AE series. was slammin' w/ the AE410, and can imagine it being pretty awesome w/ the rest of the AE lineup. clear highs, and punchy smooth fatness down below. eq mated very nicely w/ the natural voicing of the cab. also, had a nice give and feel to each note. terrific synergy in that pairing.

[jmac]

I use the pre/power setup with Berg HT/EX 112 cabinets. Sounds great. To lighten the load I switched to a QSC PLX1804 power amp. It only weighs 13 pounds. Now my rack is lighter than a cabinet.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by jmac

I use the pre/power setup with Berg HT/EX 112 cabinets. Sounds great. To lighten the load I switched to a QSC PLX1804 power amp. It only weighs 13 pounds. Now my rack is lighter than a cabinet.

I like the options a channel strip offers. However, I don't want to haul around a 2 space power amp with it - 4 space rack is bigger than the cab. Not to mention I'd need a tuner pedal/pedal and a DI for FOH needs.

Wish AI still made the Focus SA power amp. That would be ideal. Small, light, plenty of power for me, and easy to carry. Would probably fit in a 2 space rack with the channel strip.

[BigOldHarry]

play before you pay - - only way to know for sure.

[serein2j]

I play HT112 w/ LM Tube and it sounds awesome........

With Bergantino, I think you don't have to play before you pay IMO..... lol

It will worth every penny.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by SteveC

I like the options a channel strip offers. However, I don't want to haul around a 2 space power amp with it - 4 space rack is bigger than the cab. Not to mention I'd need a tuner pedal/pedal and a DI for FOH needs.

Wish AI still made the Focus SA power amp. That would be ideal. Small, light, plenty of power for me, and easy to carry. Would probably fit in a 2 space rack with the channel strip.

I've always been less than impressed with channel strip type preamps that aren't designed for live bass amplification. All the knobs and meters look cool, but I've never really felt that the tone in a mix was any better, and sometimes, given the pure, accurate, smooth tone of many of them I've tried, there was a lack of punch and girth that is built into a high quality bass head IMO.

Also, if you are thinking about using a channel strip, then the IP112ER would be the thing. Your original plan of the HT112ER and Shuttle 9 is a good one. That will sound so much better than the little Shuttle combo you have now you won't know what hit you

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by KJung

I've always been less than impressed with channel strip type preamps that aren't designed for live bass amplification. All the knobs and meters look cool, but I've never really felt that the tone in a mix was any better, and sometimes, given the pure, accurate, smooth tone of many of them I've tried, there was a lack of punch and girth that is built into a high quality bass head IMO.

Also, if you are thinking about using a channel strip, then the IP112ER would be the thing. Your original plan of the HT112ER and Shuttle 9 is a good one. That will sound so much better than the little Shuttle combo you have now you won't know what hit you

Yeah, you are right. As it seems no one wants to buy my Rob Allen, and I don't really need/want another bass, I think the new trade for a new rig is probably my best bet. The 9.0 is a great head, the Bergantino is a great cab. I can still keep my "signature line" as well.I can also just keep using my tuner out/mute and the really good built in DI on the GB.

[B String]

Originally Posted by SteveC

I like the options a channel strip offers. However, I don't want to haul around a 2 space power amp with it - 4 space rack is bigger than the cab. Not to mention I'd need a tuner pedal/pedal and a DI for FOH needs.

Wish AI still made the Focus SA power amp. That would be ideal. Small, light, plenty of power for me, and easy to carry. Would probably fit in a 2 space rack with the channel strip.

I see Focus I's offered in the classifieds every so often.
I've been using a Focus I as a power amp for years. I bypass
the preamp by going into the effects return. I use a Sansamp
Paradriver DI, (or others) as a preamp. Small, powerful, and
sounds great.

[svtb15]

I have been using my HT112ER with my shuttle 9... it smacks you pretty hard... or about as hard as a 112 can and then a little more..

[Virgil]

I use my HT112 er with my Markbass LMII and my Epi UL 902 c and it kills with both amps. You should hear a rig consisting of two HT112's and the LMII...Lordy Mercy...brings tears to your eyes.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by Virgil

I use my HT112 er with my Markbass LMII and my Epi UL 902 c and it kills with both amps. You should hear a rig consisting of two HT112's and the LMII...Lordy Mercy...brings tears to your eyes.

I have thought about getting 2 of them - we do have a few outdoor/larger room gigs with no PA - just a single powered cab for vocals and keys.

[a_magg]

Originally Posted by woolysock

I use an Aguilar AG500 with my HT112ER. Sounds great. Warm, smooth, fat, clear. Maybe the best word to describe the sound is rich. The head only weighs 18 lbs.

Use this same combination, except mines an AG500SC. Used on Monday at its first official band gig - the thing slayed with an EX112 underneath it all.

[The Butler]

Steve, Have you considered the IP112ER? I am looking at the same options you are considering. The 9.0 with the HT112ER/EX112ER stack or an IP112ER/EX112ER stack with a TD-1 pre. My local guy is sold out of the 9.0 heads and doesn't carry the TD-1.