Bergantino IP series

[Jman2089]

Question? I'm looking into the berg ip series cabinet. Anybody know why they were discontinued? Weight, power and design look pretty good. I had a chance to play one and was pretty impressed. Handle the "B" very tightly. Currently I'm using an Aguilar 659 pre-amp, qsc power and 2 aggie 1x12's

[jsbarber]

The IP series came out about five years ago, so perhaps it was time to move on to newer designs based on newer technologies/parts.

When I heard that the IP series was discontinued I assumed/hoped that he would produce a revised version of the series, perhaps with newer amplification technology, within a year or two. I really hope he hasn't abandoned the IP concept because the IP310 is nothing short of temendous. Using the DSP to gracefully handle the constraints imposed by cabinets, drivers and amplification clearly produces outstanding results, at least in the way Jim Bergantino implements it.

FWIW, IMO,

Jim

[Jman2089]

Thank you. I heard them awhile back when a friend of mine was using them. Then he moved on to a Walter woods head. Not sure which cabinet. Anyway I noticed them again and had chance to play it. Pretty tight. Really tight. Now I'm kinda caught in a dilemma. They are pricey still used, but I'm kinda wondering????

[Jman2089]

I might add the Aguilar th500 and sl cabs are real tempting.

[JxBass]

I owned an IP112ER and in was pretty stupendous. But all that technology in a single box adds cost and weight, meanwhile cabs and heads get lighter and better sounding all the time. Plus, investing all that $ in a single box/manufacturer is quite a commitment, something that goes against the grain of TB Gassing

[chadds]

Originally Posted by JxBass

I owned an IP112ER and in was pretty stupendous. But all that technology in a single box adds cost and weight, meanwhile cabs and heads get lighter and better sounding all the time. Plus, investing all that $ in a single box/manufacturer is quite a commitment, something that goes against the grain of TB Gassing

Now that's the best reason I've ever heard!!!!LOL
That technology could cause GAS restriction...!!!!

[JxBass]

Originally Posted by chadds

Now that's the best reason I've ever heard!!!!LOL
That technology could cause GAS restriction...!!!!

And I forgot to add in the required preamp, which for me was the hardest part in terms of getting what I wanted out of the IP not to mention the additional cost.

[ric stave]

I've been using the IP112 w/EX112 for about 5 years now - I sold all my other bass amplification gear. Never found anything since that had me gas to want to sell it or change. Although, I'd still consider picking up an IP310, $$$ permitting.....

[chadds]

Originally Posted by JxBass

And I forgot to add in the required preamp, which for me was the hardest part in terms of getting what I wanted out of the IP not to mention the additional cost.

Not to argue but searching through every preamp ever invented can be huge fun and is way inside the spirit of TB "I'm never satisfied".
Seriously though, price out a db750 add a comparable cab and an IP310 and pre is not expensive.

The real deal is finding the gear that delivers your sound goals, portability, price etc.

[Zeb Norris]

[quote="You got to funkafize" [/QUOTE]

I figured you HAD to be a Bay Area guy... quoting Tower of Power's 2nd album and all...

[Jman2089]

Yes. The gas thing is a great delight. I had an Aguilar db359. Heavy 51 pds, but oh the tone. I had a db750. Tone, but still heavy 42 pds. I got a db659 pre-amp (6 pds ? ) and added a qsc 1804 (13 pds). Still have great tone and shaved off 30 pounds. Plus 900w a side at 4 ohms.
It is a great set up plus easy to move around, but the aggy pre with the berg IP hmm I'm gassing or should I say I'm "jonsing". And yes I'm a SF/ south bay area guy. TOP. And "Rocco is an alien"

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by ric stave

I've been using the IP112 w/EX112 for about 5 years now - I sold all my other bass amplification gear. Never found anything since that had me gas to want to sell it or change. Although, I'd still consider picking up an IP310, $$$ permitting.....

Change "5" to "3" and the above applies 100% to me as well.

[jsbarber]

Originally Posted by JxBass

I owned an IP112ER and in was pretty stupendous. But all that technology in a single box adds cost and weight, meanwhile cabs and heads get lighter and better sounding all the time. Plus, investing all that $ in a single box/manufacturer is quite a commitment, something that goes against the grain of TB Gassing

As I understand it, the integration of the amplification into the IP310 only adds about 5 lbs to the cabinet. That's pretty efficient. Maybe JB will now do a lightweight version of the IP series, with neo drivers... I know a few people have requested that. We'll just have to wait and see.

One other comment. Although the IP310 weighs about 85lb., the relatively compact size of the cabinet makes it much more manageable to lift. I had a Whappo Jr that weighed 15-20 lbs less, but was more difficult to carry due to the dimensions, IME.

Jim


Jim

[JxBass]

All of Jim's stuff is really incredible. Even though I moved away from the IP I have the greatest admiration for his products. My IP112ER was a beautifully built and tremendous sounding piece of gear. If I had the extra $ (and space) his AE212 would be a swell thing to own.

[Jman2089]

Originally Posted by JxBass

All of Jim's stuff is really incredible. Even though I moved away from the IP I have the greatest admiration for his products. My IP112ER was a beautifully built and tremendous sounding piece of gear. If I had the extra $ (and space) his AE212 would be a swell thing to own.

So what made you move away from the IP stuff?

[Jman2089]

Anybody know what the difference is between the HT and the EX cabinets?

[JxBass]

Originally Posted by Jman2089

So what made you move away from the IP stuff?

Partly a move to lighter gear but primarily to fund something of higher priority.

[Alper Yilmaz]

IP112 + HT112 with a Millennia TD-1 is still my reference system. In studio work where I use both DI and mic's, I carry this system into recording sessions.

However, having bought Jim's AE112's (I have 2 of them) and AE212, as well as a Markbass CMD 121P (combo) for smaller gigs, I do not use the IP + HT system at gigs any more. For me, it is about the weight. But when it comes to the tone I am looking for, my IP112 + HT112 setup has not been challenged yet.

Best,

Alper

[Passinwind]

Originally Posted by jsbarber

The IP series came out about five years ago, so perhaps it was time to move on to newer designs based on newer technologies/parts.

When I heard that the IP series was discontinued I assumed/hoped that he would produce a revised version of the series, perhaps with newer amplification technology, within a year or two.

Most of the so-called 'new' Class D mini amps are using power modules from the same family that the IP plate amp stems from.

[Jazz Ad]

I recently bought an IP112ER and it is without a doubt the most incredible system I've played.
It is light really, just as light as micro heads and cabs.
The only way to make it lighter would be to use neo speakers.