Bergantino NV158? ??? - Page 9

tombowlus · #**161** 02-24-2013, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Quackhead

I'm still staying with my HD212 lust.

NOTHING wrong with that, fo sho.

Alexander · #**162** 02-25-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

NOTHING wrong with that, fo sho.

I'm interested in your thoughts on the Walkabout - NV115 or HD212? I have an NV412 that I pair with it now. Recently tried it with the HD212 and God, was that heavenly! But the NV115 sounds good too...

kringle77 · #**163** 02-25-2013, 03:19 AM

Great job Tom! I appreciate it.

kringle77 · #**164** 02-25-2013, 03:33 AM

Of course, the question is, how would a pair compare to the nv610 or nv412. Only a guess but, Im thinking more lower and higher frequency output with alittle less hit in 150hz and then mid-mids (500-1000hz).

KJung · #**165** 02-25-2013, 04:31 AM

Sounds like a fun day, and that Jim (not surprisingly) hit is goal of a 'fatter, punchier sound in a small form factor with a bit more presence up top' versus the NV215. Sounds like this will be a winner.... 53 pounds, loud enough for many gigs, and 'classic amp' friendly. I bet this would sound great with the DB750/51, the TH500, the Streamliner (as posted), and various all tube amps, etc. Awesome.

kringle77 · #**166** 02-25-2013, 05:29 AM

Tom, Im betting that alot of the clearer upper mids come from the fact that the old nv215 had the 15's running fullrange and that this new cab probably uses a full 2-way x-over. Just a guess there. Looks like the new 15 must be a tweeked woofer as well. I see nothing on eminence's site with a woofer like this that works in a sealed cab and has those ribs on the cone. Aside from the beta15 which, is probably what was in the nv215. Im pretty amped up to try a pair of these. Sent Jim an e-mail this morning hoping to order a pair with covers. Still in love with the .5 alignment nv610 but, these cabs which fix my jones for alittle more clarity and be easier to move.

KJung · #**167** 02-25-2013, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kringle77

Tom, Im betting that alot of the clearer upper mids come from the fact that the old nv215 had the 15's running fullrange and that this new cab probably uses a full 2-way x-over. Just a guess there. Looks like the new 15 must be a tweeked woofer as well. I see nothing on eminence's site with a woofer like this that works in a sealed cab and has those ribs on the cone. Aside from the beta15 which, is probably what was in the nv215. Im pretty amped up to try a pair of these. Sent Jim an e-mail this morning hoping to order a pair with covers. Still in love with the .5 alignment nv610 but, these cabs which fix my jones for alittle more clarity and be easier to move.

Just FYI, Jim does not sell direct (I don't think so, anyway). Prices, including shipping, are identical across his entire dealer network. Dealers will not be able to take orders until there is an exact introduction date, and he has set pricing and also let his dealer network know what is going on.

Just pick a dealer close to you (or if you want to support a fellow TBer, I choose to purchase my Berg gear from Greg at Rocket Music) and as soon as they have pricing and approval, you can put in a 'pre-order'. Jim DOES drop ship from his production facility, which is great, since it eliminates that 'ship to the dealer, then ship to the customer' additional banging around.

FYI!

tombowlus · #**168** 02-25-2013, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

I bet this would sound great with the DB750/51, the TH500, the Streamliner (as posted), and various all tube amps, etc. Awesome.

While I generally really love the DB750 with any of the NV cabs, the DB750 definitely wasn't our favorite amp of the group yesterday. Not that it sounded bad, but it didn't really show itself off, either. Which kind of surprised me a little bit, to be honest. Of course, all the other heads weren't chumps, either.

tombowlus · #**169** 02-25-2013, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kringle77

Tom, Im betting that alot of the clearer upper mids come from the fact that the old nv215 had the 15's running fullrange and that this new cab probably uses a full 2-way x-over. Just a guess there. Looks like the new 15 must be a tweeked woofer as well. I see nothing on eminence's site with a woofer like this that works in a sealed cab and has those ribs on the cone. Aside from the beta15 which, is probably what was in the nv215. Im pretty amped up to try a pair of these. Sent Jim an e-mail this morning hoping to order a pair with covers. Still in love with the .5 alignment nv610 but, these cabs which fix my jones for alittle more clarity and be easier to move.

I'm not sure about the crossover versus high passing for the mid, but I do believe that is a proprietary Eminence 15" driver.

tombowlus · #**170** 02-25-2013, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kringle77

Of course, the question is, how would a pair compare to the nv610 or nv412. Only a guess but, Im thinking more lower and higher frequency output with alittle less hit in 150hz and then mid-mids (500-1000hz).

I wasn't able to bring all my cabs home for this comparison, so I did not have the NV610 or NV412 on hand. But, extrapolating a bit from my comparisons of the NV215, NV610 and NV412, I believe the NV115's will go deeper, extend a little bit higher, and sound a lot more balanced throughout the mids. The NV610 is going to have that middle to upper midrange presence, and the NV412 is going to have more of that low to middle mid growl. The NV115 definitely hits the most consistently from top to bottom. It takes the more relaxed mids of the NV215 and bumps them up a notch, but makes for a really balanced and even presentation.

tombowlus · #**171** 02-25-2013, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexander

I'm interested in your thoughts on the Walkabout - NV115 or HD212? I have an NV412 that I pair with it now. Recently tried it with the HD212 and God, was that heavenly! But the NV115 sounds good too...

The WalkAbout will pair nicely with either the HD212 or the NV115. Again, it comes down to whether you prefer a ported or a sealed cab.

KJung · #**172** 02-25-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

While I generally really love the DB750 with any of the NV cabs, the DB750 definitely wasn't our favorite amp of the group yesterday. Not that it sounded bad, but it didn't really show itself off, either. Which kind of surprised me a little bit, to be honest. Of course, all the other heads weren't chumps, either.

That is definitely a picky head... with the right cab, it can just work great if it fits your tone goal, but I agree, it can sound suprisingly dull with the wrong match. If they would do some sort of blend of the Tonehammer front end with all that mid presence and EQ power, with the fat, tubey warmth and the DB750 (and that hammer of a power section) they would really have something. I guess the DB751 moves a touch closer to that with the revised mid voicing.

Anyway, looks like a cool 'vintage meets modern' sort of cab that will speak to a lot of guys, especially for the weight. I'm not aware of another lightweight sealed cab out there going after the more vintage market at the moment.

Interestingly, I find the upper mids of the CN212 more grindy and raw and organic than any mid driver loaded cab I've played, and the low end of that cab is round and punchy as heck. For those without a true 'all tube head' that can really benefit from a sealed design, that is also a very lightweight and hammering option. VERY mid complex and punchy execution, with a surprisingly 'organic' top end, given that it is tweeter loaded.

brotherbassj · #**173** 02-25-2013, 07:24 AM

I have been hanging onto my NV215 for quite some time as I love it.........however this cab is really appealing to me. After reading this thread and others I am torn between the aspect of getting a HD212 or waiting for the NV115???

I love the 215 but currently use a Thunderfunk 550B through an aguilar db112 and 112NT.......and thoughts? I think i should wait for the 15 but lately I have become a believer in 12's........

KJung · #**174** 02-25-2013, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by brotherbassj

I have been hanging onto my NV215 for quite some time as I love it.........however this cab is really appealing to me. After reading this thread and others I am torn between the aspect of getting a HD212 or waiting for the NV115???

I love the 215 but currently use a Thunderfunk 550B through an aguilar db112 and 112NT.......and thoughts? I think i should wait for the 15 but lately I have become a believer in 12's........

With the 550B, that DB112/NT stack is magnificent IMO. The HD212 will be a bit bigger sounding and more open sounding, but IMO wouldn't change your life. I also don't think the very tightly voiced Thunderfunk would be particularly impacted by the sealed design. So, I guess I would just be happy with what you have at the moment.

IMO, if you were looking for a somewhat similar tone as your DB stack, but lighten the load and go to a single cab solution, the CN212 would be the thing for me. Not much heavier than a single DB112. A little brighter up top, but easily controlled with the TF EQ. IMO! Keeps you at 4ohms also, which can benefit that head, which sounds great, but is not particularly a hammer.

brotherbassj · #**175** 02-25-2013, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

With the 550B, that DB112/NT stack is magnificent IMO. The HD212 will be a bit bigger sounding and more open sounding, but IMO wouldn't change your life. I also don't think the very tightly voiced Thunderfunk would be particularly impacted by the sealed design. So, I guess I would just be happy with what you have at the moment.

IMO, if you were looking for a somewhat similar tone as your DB stack, but lighten the load and go to a single cab solution, the CN212 would be the thing for me. Not much heavier than a single DB112. A little brighter up top, but easily controlled with the TF EQ. IMO! Keeps you at 4ohms also, which can benefit that head, which sounds great, but is not particularly a hammer.

Well for fun, I could always use my Mesa M6 or old trusty Carvin B1500 for watts and authority? I wouldn't mind bigger sounding.........

KJung · #**176** 02-25-2013, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by brotherbassj

Well for fun, I could always use my Mesa M6 or old trusty Carvin B1500 for watts and authority?

I would bet that M6 with the HD212 would open some eyes and ears!

brotherbassj · #**177** 02-25-2013, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

I would bet that M6 with the HD212 would open some eyes and ears!

I really wish there was a place to go to try the newer Berg cabinets..........maybe Jive Sound up near DC?

tombowlus · #**178** 02-25-2013, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by brotherbassj

Well for fun, I could always use my Mesa M6 or old trusty Carvin B1500 for watts and authority? I wouldn't mind bigger sounding.........

The HD212 would really crank with either of those, but then again, so would the NV115. The M6/HD212 combo is especially impressive (one of my favorite gigging rigs), and I'm guessing that the B1500 through one or two NV115's would be a really nice match, as well.

brotherbassj · #**179** 02-25-2013, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

The HD212 would really crank with either of those, but then again, so would the NV115. The M6/HD212 combo is especially impressive (one of my favorite gigging rigs), and I'm guessing that the B1500 through one or two NV115's would be a really nice match, as well.

So what you're saying is get BOTH

KJung · #**180** 02-25-2013, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by brotherbassj

I really wish there was a place to go to try the newer Berg cabinets..........maybe Jive Sound up near DC?

Not many 'brick and mortar' Berg dealers. I would call first also. Dealers obviously have been able to order the HD series for a while. The CN starts to ship in about 2 weeks, but will of course take a bit longer to fill the channel. I would think the 15/6 is a couple months away at this point if the decision to go ahead with it was just made. Takes a while of the components to be ordered and produced... especially the OEM stuff.