Bergantino NV412 or NV610

[Dallyd31]

I have a Trace V4 on the way ( as well as currently using a Trace V Type 300H hybrid) with a Berg HS410...which is great). I am thinking of upgrading the Berg to either the NV412 or NV610 and was wondering if anyone had compared the two. I play rock, classic rock and a bit of blues rock. Besides the new all tube V4, I play a Ric bass.
I have never played 12's so I don't really know what to expect.
Opinions ?

[eyeballkid]

I have 2 412s and a 610.. The 412 is pretty beast. I find its is actually a bit brighter than the 610 which has a bit more low mid focus. Either are real sweet, but I prefer the 412.
its just an opinion...

oh and I play stoner rock/ bluesy doom on a stingray with lots of watts.. tube or otherwise.

[JGR]

Originally Posted by eyeballkid

I have 2 412s and a 610.. The 412 is pretty beast. I find its is actually a bit brighter than the 610 which has a bit more low mid focus. Either are real sweet, but I prefer the 412.
its just an opinion...

oh and I play stoner rock/ bluesy doom on a stingray with lots of watts.. tube or otherwise.

+1

[Dallyd31]

I was always under the impression that the NV610 was THE go to cab for rock. Perhaps I really should look at the 412

[Randall]

I wish I had the chance to test out both but Club bass in Toronto may have them both in stock. I ordered the NV412 and have been very happy.

[rockstarbassist]

Originally Posted by Dallyd31

I was always under the impression that the NV610 was THE go to cab for rock. Perhaps I really should look at the 412

I had the 610 a long while and yes, it is a definite go-to cab for rawk, especially with a high-end tube map like you having coming. But I can't imagine the 412 being any worse. Would actually be better for me w/ the 12's in there. At that point you're probably splitting hairs.

[Wild Steve]

Originally Posted by eyeballkid

I find its is actually a bit brighter than the 610

Just picked up a used NV412 (miracle!) Only tried it briefly so far but it certainly seems much brighter, or you might say less bassy than the 610.
I'll do some more side by sides and also both combined, been wanting to do that for a while now.
Steve

[AchtungBass]

412 unless you get a significantly better deal on the 610. Or, depending on the price of the Bergs, a new 3015/15PR400 equipped LDS 215.

[Wild Steve]

What makes you want to go for the 412 over the 610?
Steve

[TussinBot.]

Bergantino NV610, 215, 412 comparison.MOV - YouTube

[JGR]

I think the NV412 is the new go-to cab for rock. It just seems to have more of everything -lows, mids, and highs - compared to the 610. The 610 sounds smaller and more compressed in comparison, IMO/IME. The 412 can really handle the high power wallopings without wincing.

[Alexander]

NV412 for me please. With my Sadowsky and Mesa Walkabout, it is about the perfect rock tone (to me)!

[rodl2005]

412 for me. Had the 610, but for my sound, found the 412 as others. More hi's etc.

[Wild Steve]

Please no comments about the playing! Only been playing for a year or so, hope this might help some of those who're wanting to hear the difference between these two cabs.
Couple of clips with Jazz bass first.

[Wild Steve]

Now a couple with a P Bass.

[Wild Steve]

And finally the Jazz and P Bass through the 610 and 412 together.

[Wild Steve]

The mp3s sound muffled compared the original wav files, I suppose it's the compression, sorry! Hope it's still of use though - there's certainly a pretty noticeable difference, although whether this would register much unless they were side by side I don't know.
Steve

[Wild Steve]

That looks much more balanced now!
The Ampeg through the 412 is VERY punchy and hard-edged! Almost like you get about the same sound with Marshall into 610 vs Ampeg into 412.
Be interesting to play around with these a bit.
Incidentally, a brief listen to Ampeg into 412 + 610 is very nice indeed!
Steve

[Wild Steve]

OK, so they're not that different after all! Same basic feel, but the Ampeg definitely does have that harder edge, slightly more harsh, growly. You might say the Marshall is smoother or you might say it's muddy, you might say the Ampeg is clear or you might say it's harsh, it obviously depends on your point of view and the sound you're after.
No surprises, volume-wise they're similar - ie hellish loud! Not able to turn them right up but maxxing the master on the Marshall and turning the gain to the same level as the Ampeg the VBA is a little louder (extra 100W I suppose making a little difference).
Steve

[mothra2]

That 610 Jazz clip's got tons of punch thru my phones.