Bergantino vs Schroeder Cabs

[bucephylus]

Well, I am playing a Sadowsky J mostly these days. Yes, the NV610 and AE212 are different; but, that difference works in favor of the Sadowsky J with the AE212.

If I were playing a P, I might likely come to a different conclusion. Really depends on what kind of sound you are going for, and the yin-yang between the amp and the instrument.

[bucephylus]

FWIW, here are a couple of videos to demonstrate the sound of the AE212 as I am using it. This sound is precisely what I am after. The NV610 also does this well.

Different players and different axes will change the equation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-MCr...feature=relmfu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MezfIbmoYUY

BTW and FWIW, here a couple vids with the pair of 15+L's, where you can hear the low end pillow getting a bit away from me. But, interesting that it is there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMbWL...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8NhD...eature=related

[Tim1]

I am still curious to see if Jim reintroduces the Berg NV215. To my ears the finest stock speaker produced.

[kringle77]

I see alot of builders finally zeroing in on what most bassists need, which is a more mid-focused sound. Thats a good thing and Im sure that within one more year, there will be a good handful of cabs that I could buy "off the shelf" and be totally happy with. Mid-focused, light, 8ohm cabs. Thats what I want.

[::::BASSIST::::]

Originally Posted by kringle77

Im so surprised that you like botht he ae212 and nv610. I bought the 2x12 in hopes of replacing the nv610 and it just wasn't happening. Too much low end, not enough midrange character. The fact that the schroeders are voiced with more mids and that the 212pl is supposed to have a fatter bottom than some of their other cabs, Im thinking that it could actually work for me.

As a reference, I thought that hs210 had an annoying honk around 800hz, the ht210 was too modern, the nv412 was the best overall but I really missed the compressed feel of the nv610 so, thats what I stuck with. I probably should have just kept the nv412 and had lds build me a pair of sealed 2x12 cabs to use the drivers in. That may have worked well to get an awsome 412 vertical stack. Oh well.

I hate to say this bro, but it sounds to me that you are quite particular about your tone preferences in a cab. Therefore, I have a feeling the schroe just won't tick your boxes. Hopefully, I am wrong, but I would be surprised.

[kringle77]

I am particular about my gear. VERY. And, I would be surprised if they work for me.

[Tim1]

I see alot of builders finally zeroing in on what most bassists need, which is a more mid-focused sound.

I agree with this, more players are focusing on the mids because we are becoming better educated and realise that what might sound good and deep to us on stage will likely sound like mud five to ten metres away in the audience. Hence the desire for tight, prominent mids which will be perceived deeper further away. Don't dismiss fifteens in the desire for this, my old Mesa Diesel 215 cab with EVs had more prominent upper mids than any I have played. My fave rave Bergantino NV215 has a 6" midrange driver which gives it a naturally full range sound. All that said, my memories of fifteen inch cabs containing JBL E140s with a Fender Bassman 100 head in the seventies are of a decidedly muddy tone which I would not accept today (mind you I was building my own cabinets in those days with very little idea of cab science .

[kringle77]

Bucephylus, the clips with the ae212 is pretty much how I remember it sounding. The schroeder clips are much more what I would go for. The throaty midrange sound that cuts through. I'd probably add alittle more top end. I could hear alittle bit of boom but, not much. Thanks for the clips! They actually make me have some hope for the schroeder 212pl.

[bucephylus]

Originally Posted by kringle77

Bucephylus, the clips with the ae212 is pretty much how I remember it sounding. The schroeder clips are much more what I would go for. The throaty midrange sound that cuts through. I'd probably add alittle more top end. I could hear alittle bit of boom but, not much. Thanks for the clips! They actually make me have some hope for the schroeder 212pl.

No sweat. There are pretty significant differences between each of our tonal goals. Kind of foolish to make blanket statements about this or that cab. It all has to be taken in the context of the gig, player etc. Glad that helped. I know I have to listen to playback to get it right.

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by kringle77

I am particular about my gear. VERY. And, I would be surprised if they work for me.

I'm still betting on either the AudioKinesis Hathor or the Baer ML-112 being the cab(s) for you.