The best speakers

gary mitchell · #1 03-29-2011, 09:01 PM

i want to turn a 212 8ohm cab into a 4ohm. But I am not real smart about such things. What speakers would you suggest at a decent price, and how. I want to use it as a stand alone cab. At least 600 watts. And thank you all for your HELP. Its the Carvin BRX 212 I talk about in my other Thread. My cousin is letting me use is Ashdown MK head. I might get it because he owes me some money. I am trying to gear down a little. Not carry so much stuff. One cab one head. I don't have much money got laid off again.

Rick Auricchio · #2 03-29-2011, 11:00 PM

Your best bet is to ask Carvin about replacements.

Cabinets are designed around the speakers---it isn't the other way around. So just dropping in different speakers would be a crapshoot. You could be wasting money and not get what you need.

At least Carvin knows what they used originally and can recommend appropriate replacements.

And the important question: Why do you want to do this?

Sartori · #3 03-30-2011, 12:17 AM

Pretty much what Rick said.

For me, a 4 ohm 2x12 wouldn't be nearly as useful as an 8 ohm one.

GrowlerBox · #4 03-30-2011, 12:24 AM

I've tried to address some of the issues in your other, related thread. It seems like you're getting similar advice here.

MuzikMan · #5 03-30-2011, 04:58 AM

If your money is tight just keep it in your pocket. Changing a cab from 8 ohms to 4 ohms is not worth it. I am assuming you are attempting to make your rig louder but it won't work as well as you might think. You will barely notice the difference.

Bassmec · #6 03-30-2011, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MuzikMan

If your money is tight just keep it in your pocket. Changing a cab from 8 ohms to 4 ohms is not worth it. I am assuming you are attempting to make your rig louder but it won't work as well as you might think. You will barely notice the difference.

Buy another cab, then you have the amp running more power at 4 ohms, you also just gained the equivalent of twice the amplifier power again through speaker coupling effect, if you stand the cabs on top of each other.
When was less more apart from notes per bar sometimes in Bass Guitar.

billfitzmaurice · #7 03-30-2011, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gary mitchell

i want to turn a 212 8ohm cab into a 4ohm. But I am not real smart about such things.

Smart has nothing to do with it, knowledgeable does. Those not knowledgeable assume that going from 8 to 4 ohms will 'get all the watts out of my amp' and sound twice as loud. The fact of the matter is that the difference in actual output level will at best be slight, if any. Not worth the trouble, not to mention the cost.

gary mitchell · #8 03-30-2011, 09:15 AM

My thought like some of you have said, was to get the most wattage out of my head. Most heads run at 4ohms to get that. Also I wanted to use this cab by itself, so I could carry less. I am not a big combo fan. Sometimes I just need that little extra power.

greenboy · #9 03-30-2011, 09:18 AM

Don't you have thread like this, like, every two weeks? And don't you often get pretty much the same replies?

Bass_Pounder · #10 03-30-2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gary mitchell

My thought like some of you have said, was to get the most wattage out of my head. Most heads run at 4ohms to get that. Also I wanted to use this cab by itself, so I could carry less. I am not a big combo fan. Sometimes I just need that little extra power.

But what you are not understanding is that "getting all your watts" really does nothing. Neither will getting :just a little more".

Doubling your wattage only provide around +3db - which is barely audible.

Taking two of the the same exact cabs - one being an 8 ohm, and the other being 4 ohm - you will NOT really hear an appreciable difference between the two in a side by side comparison.

Robby Hoinsky · #11 03-30-2011, 09:21 AM

x1000 on all the other replies. If you need more output, consider selling what you have a building/buying something that better suits your needs.

Robby

billfitzmaurice · #12 03-30-2011, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gary mitchell

to get the most wattage out of my head...Most heads run at 4ohms to get that. .

They run at 4 ohms to allow using two 8 ohm cabs. Using two cabs gives higher sensitivity and driver displacement to reach higher levels. You're assuming more watts automatically means louder. It doesn't. Divest yourself of that notion.

gary mitchell · #13 03-30-2011, 09:39 AM

yes sir I understand now, I am a little slow I guess. greenboy I will stop asking questions for a while give you all a break. I am sorry. Bye for a while.

greenboy · #14 03-30-2011, 09:43 AM

Hey, don't take it that way - I'm just saying wishing for different answers won't change reality. No sweat, OK?

RNV · #15 03-30-2011, 09:59 AM

If you truly have a Carvin BRX212, which are pretty rare, I will but it from you and you can go buy another cab.

Gizmot · #16 03-30-2011, 10:22 AM

I agree with everyone who said that the increase in acoustic output between a nominal 8 ohm speaker and a nominal 4 ohm speaker is barely noticeable. It definitely isn't worth spending money to lower the impedance to get the most power from your amp.
Spend your money buying something better or doubling up what you already have. I'm not a big Carvin fan - and I believe that you can do better with a number of other brands.

Fred Mott · #17 03-30-2011, 11:28 AM

You have to forgive my cousin, he is going true a medication change. He was in a car accident, and because of seizures quit playing for almost 10yrs. He is on a new drug and hasn't had a seizure for over 4yrs, but they can be very hard on him, sometimes it takes him a little while to get a grip on somethings. But the cool thing is he can make wonderful music, its the one thing he can focus on and still do well. So just give him a little while he will come around.

BassmanPaul · #18 03-30-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gary mitchell

i want to turn a 212 8ohm cab into a 4ohm.

Never mind!

Sartori · #19 03-30-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gary mitchell

yes sir I understand now, I am a little slow I guess. greenboy I will stop asking questions for a while give you all a break. I am sorry. Bye for a while.

Dude, it's nothing personal, it's just not the answer you wanted.

Changing the speakers so that the cab has a lower impedance is a modification that will take both money and time.

We're just warning you that the (in all probability, very slight) benefits from this mod might not really be worth spending your money and time to do it.

Fred Mott · #20 03-30-2011, 06:11 PM

Gary told to tell you guys he sorry, he is in the hospital come to find out, he was way over medicated for the last couple of months. So his Doctor is working with his meds, and he told me to tell you guys he should be back to near normal in a few weeks. He was really getting depressed. He told me he has learn a lot from you guys. He got me to join.