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08-15-2010, 04:15 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle | | | Best way to "insert' tube fatness? Art Tube MP or Summit TD-100?
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I am happy with my amps which are a TC Classic 450 or an Acoustic Image.
I was just given an Art Tube MP and like the tube effect.
All I want is the tube fatness. Don't actually need a DI or preamp. Not at all wanting distortion or overdrive.
So what is the best system to just "insert" the tube quality into my signal?
Should I just get a high quality tube for the Art?
Or go more high end with the Summit?
$ 39.00 [+ tube upgrade ] VS $ 450.00
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08-15-2010, 04:45 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Switzerland | | | I'm so sorry, but in the Art Tube MP you don't hear the tube at all. It's really a marketing-tube.
Get a real tube preamp - or don't get anything.
But don't waste your money on a Art Tube MP if you want tube sound.
Note: I didn't say it's a bad preamp. |
08-15-2010, 04:48 PM
|  | Less Ebay, more Mel Bay | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ | | | The TC 450 has a tube simulator and a compressor. Fiddle with those until you get the sound. It'll be "fatter" than the Art Tube MP almost for sure.
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08-15-2010, 07:24 PM
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08-15-2010, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by aledeville  I'm so sorry, but in the Art Tube MP you don't hear the tube at all. It's really a marketing-tube.
Get a real tube preamp - or don't get anything.
But don't waste your money on a Art Tube MP if you want tube sound.
Note: I didn't say it's a bad preamp. | Is this really true? I wouldn't know of course. Sure sounds fatter than just a preamp to me. Quote:
Originally Posted by rpsands The TC 450 has a tube simulator and a compressor. Fiddle with those until you get the sound. It'll be "fatter" than the Art Tube MP almost for sure. | The compressor is great. The tube sim is also good but is a little bassy. The tube MP still sounds a " little " better. Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Carr | Thanks Jim. That does sound good. None for sale that I can find. |
08-15-2010, 09:47 PM
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08-15-2010, 09:52 PM
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Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nashville | | | The Tube MP is what's known as a "Starved Plate" circuit. Basically the tube doesn't get enough voltage to get the electrons moving, it doesn't really have any effect on the sound. |
08-15-2010, 09:57 PM
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EXAR pedals rep for North & Central America | | Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PDX, OR | | Those old black-panel ART units are excellent-sounding, and they show up on Ebay from time to time. You can get a large dose of that same tone from their half-rack tube parametric EQ (same as the one in the full rack preamp).
DHA makes some of the fattest tube pedals around. They are the exception to the "starved plate rule".  If you want something cleaner or more "hi-fi" than DHA, Effectrode make some amazing pedals. I'm in love with their new tube/opto compressor. The Tech21 VT is not bad.
FWIW I agree with aledeville that the new TubeMP is more a "marketing tube" than anything. It may be audible, but it's not even close to a contender for "best way to insert tube fatness". |
08-15-2010, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jibreel I am happy with my amps which are a TC Classic 450 or an Acoustic Image.
| that TC Classic and other TC amps have some of the best "tube tone" in the industry. Turn that knob up - way past 7 and give it a listen.
"Fatness" is just as rpsands describes compression and distortion. The TC amps can do this in a million different levels and duplicate many of the tube amps out there.
As the infamous you-tube video explains - just because it has a tube doesn't mean it sounds good.
And lacking a tube doesn't mean it doesn't duplicate the sound of a tube.
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08-16-2010, 08:05 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle | | | Thanks all for your replys.
Is the PreSonus TubePre Tube DI in the same category as the ART TUBE MC ?
Any love for the Summit TD-100?
If I felt like putting out the cash, is the A-Designs REDDI Tube DI worth it?
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08-16-2010, 08:50 AM
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08-16-2010, 08:58 AM
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08-16-2010, 10:05 AM
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DHA makes some of the fattest tube pedals around. They are the exception to the "starved plate rule".
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The DHA VT1 Bass is awsome! Put in the effects loop of my LMII it is 90% of the tube sound I want with %10 of the weight of an SVT
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08-16-2010, 12:42 PM
|  | Registered User | | | | | Not familiar with the TC gear. However, I did quite successfully use a Tube MP for many years as a front end before a Walter Woods as well as a number of amps, including an Acoustic 360. I'm not getting all the negative comments about that little box. Mine did great. I also had (and still own) one of the tube channels that I actually racked in front of an Alembic F1X, and got significant improvement there as well. IME, the MP is useful for fattening the sound, compensating for different Bass outputs, and loading the front end of an amplifier to get the most out of the amp; particularly effective with passive bass output and upright piezo outputs.
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08-16-2010, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bongomania *wags finger* You should know we have dozens of threads talking about the Summit and the REDDI in great depth. There is plenty of love for both, and they are both worth the price-- IF their specific flavor is what you individually are after. They sound very different from each other, in spite of the fact that they are both well-loved for their tubey tone. | I know, I know...my bad  I did read through a bunch of threads though, in fact most of them. Hard to resist asking for direct input.
Truly, thanks to all for the comments. The DHA pedal or the fat drive sound like the way to go.
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