Big E Speakers

[mntngrown]

You did mention B string . Rock I guess

[DirtPoorRobins]

It was both actually. Granted it's all in the context of a family show with big band horns and some rock arrangements so It wasn't like I needed 2 810 cabs. Anyways, during sound check I pretty much was pushing the cab as hard as I was comfortable with and the sound engineer ran up on stage and was all panic'd saying I was just throwing out way too much sound and needed to turn down, he told me I wasn't even in the system. I laughed thinking my 4 little 6inch speakers were too much!

[nostatic]

Great to hear. I have a 4x6 on order and I hope it will be my "small cabinet" solution, especially for jazz hits and really tight stages.

[Jazzdogg]

Originally Posted by DirtPoorRobins

It was both actually. Granted it's all in the context of a family show with big band horns and some rock arrangements so It wasn't like I needed 2 810 cabs. Anyways, during sound check I pretty much was pushing the cab as hard as I was comfortable with and the sound engineer ran up on stage and was all panic'd saying I was just throwing out way too much sound and needed to turn down, he told me I wasn't even in the system. I laughed thinking my 4 little 6inch speakers were too much!

What kind of amplification signal chain and EQ were you using?

[DirtPoorRobins]

Upton Bostonion with Full Circle for upright, and Sadowsky Will Lee for the electric into DI, then DTAR Equinox parametric eq, then shuttle 9.2 into the big e laid horizontal tilted upward, which in my opinion (and I think Mr. Arnopol's too) is the best sound for it. Put some new nickels on the sadowsky and it sounded awesome tonight, super punchy and when I slapped it wasn't over kill.

[Downunderwonder]

This thing seems to require Thiele Small modelling to get an upgrade.

[Mike Arnopol]

Originally Posted by Downunderwonder

This thing seems to require Thiele Small modelling to get an upgrade.

what do you mean?

[nostatic]

evidently you need a bigger flux capacitor...

[Passinwind]

Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

what do you mean?

Pretty sure he means that a new modeling paradigm may be necessary to fully account for what's happening with these systems.

[Downunderwonder]

Yes, 4 sixes, in a tiny little enclosure, doing the work of 4 tens in a regular box requiires an incredibly large gain in efficiency from this new alignment. So much so that perhaps a previously unknown characteristic of drivers has been exploited.

[rpsands]

It's not a characteristic of drivers, it's a characteristic of the system.

There are tools for modeling horn loaded enclosures, so I expect there will be a way to model these at some point.

I am pretty confident there are elements of both horn and reflex loading at play in these cabs and the interplay between the two will be apparent with some measurement and analysis of the patents, etc. Could be wrong though

[Mike Arnopol]

Actually Leland is working his Kansas butt off doing measurements. He will be sharing them as he is confident of their accuracy. I'll wait for him to chime in but we talk every few days and he's always excited to share the new info he has. I have a pretty good measurement system and can share info as far as measured low end response. I'm very pleased that I'm getting minus 3db points of about 46hz for the 6's and 42 for the 8's. And minus 10 db at about 33hz.

But the problem is that it still doesn't relate to the perceived quality of the bass. I'm glad that the reviews are starting to come in to reiterate that there are other things at play besides just frequency response et al.

Leland is trying to get all of his measurement ducks in a row . His area is sound reinforcement and he wants to be very sure before sharing them.

[murphy]

So. 4x8 that sounds like a SVT810....most of our dream rig.....but carries sound better

I can use in my reggae band?
i can use in my Blues rockin and funk band?

4ohm?

Does it come with wheels

And can it be built lighter than the 80LBS version?

I guess I will PM on price?

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by Mike Arnopol

Actually Leland is working his Kansas butt off doing measurements.

speaking of Kansas...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJaX4ZpfULM

sorry for the thread diversion

[MarkA]

Originally Posted by nostatic

speaking of Kansas...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJaX4ZpfULM

sorry for the thread diversion

Don't be sorry. I got a kick out of it. I know a 13 year old kid who needs to see this.

[lelandcrooks]

That is one of the coolest things I've ever seen.

[DirtPoorRobins]

Played another gig tonight, not as big as the past couple nights, more like 750-1000 seat theater on a wooden stage, but pretty good acoustics actually. Tonight was the best sound I think I've gotten with the Big E so far. It really reminds me of a 4x10 cab the way it responds, very punchy, you can really feel your notes, but probably wont go as loud, but darn close, I'd say more like a 3x10 cab. I didn't even bother giving our sound engineer a line, I told him he wouldn't need it, and he agreed.

The one thing I notice with this cab, it's very responsive to everything you do to it, I mean it is night and day which way you have it oriented and when you angle it up, even more different. I also found a big difference to how high of an angle I used in how the highs were heard. I had too high of an angle and I wasn't getting the clarity I wanted 25ft out, so I went back, lowered the angle of the cab (I prop the cab up by an empty tc electronic pedal box) and BAM, all the clarity I needed right at the head level of the audience.

Also, just like my fodera basses, if your technique sucks, this cab will let you know it. No hiding behind blooming notes.

[lelandcrooks]

Measurements indicate changes depending on which way you orient the cab. Horizontal is the correct placement. The cab acts like a line array. Vertically you put the comb filtering in the audible plane. Horizontally you don't hear it. TBH, the comb filtering is pretty small, in a very narrow band, so for bass use it's probably moot. I know I had to listen very carefully to tell anything was going on. Just barely there.

Estimating sensitivity at 1w1m at 99db. But as with all things crazy in vortex boxes, that increases as you add power. At 1w1m, output from the port matches output from the face of the drivers, covering the full range of the driver output, which I have crossed at 4.5k. Port output increases as you increase power. But under 1w port output dies a quick death.

I will release measurements when I am totally confident in my results. Right now I'm using HolmImpulse, which is free software. Too many limitations for what I need. But I just don't have $ to spring for the real deal right now.

[Balog]

Originally Posted by lelandcrooks

Measurements indicate changes depending on which way you orient the cab. Horizontal is the correct placement. The cab acts like a line array. Vertically you put the comb filtering in the audible plane. Horizontally you don't hear it. TBH, the comb filtering is pretty small, in a very narrow band, so for bass use it's probably moot. I know I had to listen very carefully to tell anything was going on. Just barely there.

Estimating sensitivity at 1w1m at 99db. But as with all things crazy in vortex boxes, that increases as you add power. At 1w1m, output from the port matches output from the face of the drivers, covering the full range of the driver output, which I have crossed at 4.5k. Port output increases as you increase power. But under 1w port output dies a quick death.

I will release measurements when I am totally confident in my results. Right now I'm using HolmImpulse, which is free software. Too many limitations for what I need. But I just don't have $ to spring for the real deal right now.

I wonder if a review entity (Bass Gear Mag or a similar PA place perhaps?) might have better equipment they would let you use/borrow in exchange for the "scoop" on these new cabs?

[Roadkill]

Originally Posted by nostatic

speaking of Kansas...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJaX4ZpfULM

Awesome! The 'bone player in one of my projects will love that .