Bought (2) replacement celestion 10's from Avatar

sbassface · #1 03-24-2011, 05:15 AM

Super pleased with the 2, 16 ohm, celestion, 200 watt speakers I bought from Avatar. I needed 16 ohm for my old trace elliot cab that sat empty for a long time. I put a new diaphragm in the tweeter too, and I've got a tasty new 8 ohm cab to go with my other 2x10/rig. The price is kinda unreal (cheap) $49 for two+$19 shipping. They sound great!

Downunderwonder · #2 03-24-2011, 07:11 AM

That's very good of them to transfer their OEM replacement deal to a Trace cab. Or did you lie your ass off about them being for an Avatar?

sbassface · #3 03-24-2011, 08:43 AM

avatar has these raw speakers for sale, they don't care what you put them in.

From the website:

Celestion Special Factory Buyouts !

The list below has all brand new overstocks direct from the Celestion factory with a full warranty.

Redo your old cab with some new fresh speakers and get that famous Celestion TONE. Super specials !

Upgrade your tired 10's in your bass cab with CELESTION 10's !!

CELESTION TF1020 10 inch bass speaker.

200 watts. 8 ohm or 16 ohm. 2 inch vented voice coil. Big 42 oz. magnet. Lots of PUNCH !!

Great drop in general replacements

Special Factory Direct BUYOUT PRICE:

one is $29+$12 shipping,

two are $49+$19 shipping ,

four are $79+$29 shipping..either 8 or 16 ohm in stock

FunGuy · #4 01-19-2012, 07:50 AM

Just put 6 of them into an Acoustic 104 speaker cab (Guitar Cab), excellent mid range tone and lots of punch with my Fender P bass...great up grade for an old cab....

nysbob · #5 01-19-2012, 06:57 PM

That's a smokin' deal.

will33 · #6 01-19-2012, 07:30 PM

It's this Celestion TF1020 10" Professional Speaker 150W 294-2070 with a 2mm xmax. Might have a nice tone, I don't know, but sure hope you don't plan on turning it up much....there's a reason they're cheap and Avatar is blowing them out.....probably pretty good for vocal wedges or 2x in 2-way PA mains if you need something like that.

sbassface · #7 01-19-2012, 07:39 PM

I hear you...after the fact, notice when I posted first

will33 · #8 01-19-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sbassface

I hear you...after the fact, notice when I posted first

Holy carp, ya got me....and after I goofed on somebody earlier for picking up an old conversation

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billfitzmaurice · #9 01-20-2012, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sbassface

I hear you...after the fact, notice when I posted first

FWIW a review of them after using them a bit would have been appropriate.

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...there's a reason they're cheap and Avatar is blowing them out...

+1.

sbassface · #10 01-20-2012, 07:07 AM

I actually haven't used them yet because, it was a learning process on installing them, I stripped the connectors for another speaker and now I have to put them back for these.

fenderhutz · #11 01-20-2012, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by will33

It's this Celestion TF1020 10" Professional Speaker 150W 294-2070 with a 2mm xmax. Might have a nice tone, I don't know, but sure hope you don't plan on turning it up much....there's a reason they're cheap and Avatar is blowing them out.....probably pretty good for vocal wedges or 2x in 2-way PA mains if you need something like that.

I called about them (Avatar) and asked specific questions, I was thinking of doing a refurb on an old Traynor 610. These are the same speakers Peavey uses for the Trace Elliot cab line. Putting them in a Trace makes sense

billfitzmaurice · #12 01-20-2012, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

Putting them in a Trace makes sense

It does and it doesn't. If you're a manufacturer and want to load a cab with a cheap driver because your bottom line is the bottom line it makes sense. If you're a user who'd rather go cheap than good it also makes sense. That's viable in a 6x or 8x cab, where the strength realized with numbers can overcome the weakness of the individuals. But if you want to get a good result in a 1x or 2x cab a few dollars more would be money well spent.

fenderhutz · #13 01-20-2012, 07:30 AM

The reason I said that is due to Peavey keeping cab dimensions the same. They "should" sound good in a Trace cab.

MLC_BassPlayer · #14 01-20-2012, 08:38 AM

I just put four Celestion TF1020's from Avatar into an old, old Avatar 410 I picked up cheap. Lowered the impedance from 8 to 4 ohms. Seems to be working out fine for a rehearsal cab.

billfitzmaurice · #15 01-20-2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

The reason I said that is due to Peavey keeping cab dimensions the same. They "should" sound good in a Trace cab.

That assumes the Trace was properly engineered, which isn't likely. You don't pay a designer $2k to design a cab loaded with $20 drivers. BTW, the TF1020 works best in a .6 cu ft cab tuned to 61 Hz. F3 is 95Hz, and at 100Hz it's displacement limited to only 60 watts. In a larger cab the power handling drops precipitously. IMO it's not a bass driver, and Celestion agrees, as on the data sheet it specifically says Ideally suited to compact enclosures and high pass systems. I'd only use it high-passed at 200 Hz, to complement an 18 inch woofer.

someparts · #16 01-20-2012, 09:51 AM

Wonder how these would work in an old sealed SVT 8x10 cab?

craig.p · #17 01-20-2012, 10:10 AM

Avatar should use those Celestions to create a 1510 product, with the 10 in a separate (sub) chamber, and a bulletproof crossover this time. Probably make a nice, balanced system. Can it be done with the TB153 baffle board if the 15 is moved to the corner? Maybe. But would have to deepen the cab to make up for the 10's chamber volume consumption, unless deleting the horn tweeter would add enough back. Also bracing would be crucial, with that much "holeage" in the baffle board.

"TB1510." Suggested here first. (Or maybe elsewhere previously.

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will33 · #18 01-20-2012, 10:36 AM

IMO they might make a decent mid over an 18 as Bill said, or a cheap but decent vocal speaker. As an electric bass driver, no, they're not up to snuff. They "might" sound a little better than they look on paper depending on how they sound when pushed into non-linearity, ie: a musical sounding breakup or a nasty one, and whether xlim is out there far enough to safely do that, and of course whether or not you want such a thing as part of your sound. 4 of them at rehearsal volume may work, but, not worth it IMO, unless you're just looking to cheaply load up a cab that doesn't have to perform at a high level. Like something to plug into at the rehearsal space so you don't have to carry your good stuff back and forth.

billfitzmaurice · #19 01-20-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by someparts

Wonder how these would work in an old sealed SVT 8x10 cab?

Quite poorly.

Bmorefoozler · #20 01-20-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by craig.p

Avatar should use those Celestions to create a 1510 product, with the 10 in a separate (sub) chamber, and a bulletproof crossover this time. Probably make a nice, balanced system. Can it be done with the TB153 baffle board if the 15 is moved to the corner? Maybe. But would have to deepen the cab to make up for the 10's chamber volume consumption, unless deleting the horn tweeter would add enough back. Also bracing would be crucial, with that much "holeage" in the baffle board.

"TB1510." Suggested here first. (Or maybe elsewhere previously.

)

Suggested, in a way, by Dave at Avatar first, before the TB153, which was a response to his about to be introduced 1510...

Dave's used a full-range bass Driver in parrallel to the 15 however.