Cab Advice: 2 410's VS 2 115's

[cbass1]

Geez, I am looking for a new rig, something a little smaller than my two 410 GK rig, but something that still kicks hard. Earlier this month I started a thread about two 210's stacked vertically, got some good feedback, but am wondering how something like 2 GK NEO 115's stacked together would sound, also interested in the Aguilar DB115 and the Mesa vintage powerhouse 115. any advice would be helpful, obviously the neo gk cabs are the lightest but even the aggies and mesa's are lighter than what I have now. So 2 115's vs 2 410's. what would be the difference.

[rpsands]

Which 4x10 would you be replacing? Tough to say without that.

The aguilar and Mesa stuff is crazy heavy for what you get imho.

The difference between two 1x15's and two 4x10's is going to average about 3db. You can expect a 1x15 to be about as sensitive as a 2x10 most of the time, if quality is equal.

The difference is a high quality 1x15 will be closer to the sensitivity of a low end 4x10. So if you're using backline 4x10s or something I think you'd be right about the same volume as the Neo 115.

[steamthief]

Tonally, I think it depends on which make of cabs you compare, either 10 or 15. I do believe you'll get more volume out of 2x410. I'd love to get a second OBC115, I think it would make a killer stack.

[Bassmec]

Originally Posted by rpsands

Which 4x10 would you be replacing? Tough to say without that.

The aguilar and Mesa stuff is crazy heavy for what you get imho.

The difference between two 1x15's and two 4x10's is going to average about 3db. You can expect a 1x15 to be about as sensitive as a 2x10 most of the time, if quality is equal.

The difference is a high quality 1x15 will be closer to the sensitivity of a low end 4x10. So if you're using backline 4x10s or something I think you'd be right about the same volume as the Neo 115.

That would depend on the voicing and spl of the fifteen inch
driver concerned.
I have old 115 ampeg 8 ohm metal badge cabs with Altec 418 series 11 drivers that compete in the midrange spl with an eden 8x10.

Yeah but a 3015lf would be as you describe in apparent loudness.
Altecs 418's are even better for spl than JBL K130's!

PS

They seem to have the same apparent loudness but require different EQ setting thus two amps are better than one.
Most of the upper mid response seems to come from the Altecs and all the real low from the eight by ten if you run both amps flatish.

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by cbass1

So 2 115's vs 2 410's. what would be the difference.

The only definitive conclusion one may make based on the driver complements alone is that the 2x115 will have wider dispersion than the 2x410. Without specific data, the sort that no manufacturers publish, you can't know how various cabs will 'stack up' other than by trying them, side by side.

[cbass1]

sure, I understand, I guess the I was curious to hear other people who have 2 115's stacked and are having success with them, I guess the sound would be warmer? I am looking at the GK neo115 III replacing my GK410sbx plus (800 watt version)

[aproud1]

Originally Posted by cbass1

sure, I understand, I guess the I was curious to hear other people who have 2 115's stacked and are having success with them, I guess the sound would be warmer? I am looking at the GK neo115 III replacing my GK410sbx plus (800 watt version)

Don't know about warmer. Depends on the speaker and the cabs. To me the GK 115 neo sounds pretty balanced.

I have a 2 x 15 (tweeterless no name)stack and I love it because to me it sounds balanced and it's easy for everyone else to hear me even if I'm not cranked up. That being said I've heard 2x10 x 2 stacks that sounded as good and 2 x 15 stacks that sounded terrible. It's important to look at the quality of speaker but it's equally important to look at the cabinet. As long as it sounds good to you I guess thats really what matters.

I like 4x10's but the 4x10's I really like always end up weighing a whole lot and are bigger than I want to deal with. My 2 x 15 stack is the same footprint as my headcase just 5 feet tall. Plus it's modular. 1 cab for most gigs. 2 for when we play Madison Square Gardens.

Had a GK Neo115 III stack. GK sounded great with one cab but only sounded decent with two. Not sure what I was doing wrong. Really really liked the sound of the single cab but lost that magic with the two stacked. I'm sure one of the speaker guru's would have a good guess as to why?

[DavePlaysBass]

Originally Posted by aproud1

Had a GK Neo115 III stack. GK sounded great with one cab but only sounded decent with two. Not sure what I was doing wrong. Really really liked the sound of the single cab but lost that magic with the two stacked. I'm sure one of the speaker guru's would have a good guess as to why?

Did you find a second cab that mated well with the Neo 115III. I just picked one up and in the basement I love it. Hope to get it loud soon. I ran a Avatar B210 neo with it and was not over welmed. I liked the 115 better on its own. This little experiment made me think a second 115 was the ticket. I have contempated the GK Neo 212 and 112 as other possible options.

[aproud1]

Originally Posted by DavePlaysBass

Did you find a second cab that mated well with the Neo 115III. I just picked one up and in the basement I love it. Hope to get it loud soon. I ran a Avatar B210 neo with it and was not over welmed. I liked the 115 better on its own. This little experiment made me think a second 115 was the ticket. I have contempated the GK Neo 212 and 112 as other possible options.

I didn't really try to be honest. Found some old empty cabs with good dimensions on Craigslist. Return my one GK which was new and sold the other to buy parts for my old dirty cabs.

I do wish I would have kept the one. It was really a great stand alone cab.

[JazzbassArt]

At the risk of being repetitous, a pair of 3015 loaded TL606's kicks ass.