Which cab sits between a ML112 and a DB112??
I started a thread yesterday as a query to help aid in the decision making process for replacing my DB112 stack. In all honesty, I'd be perfectly happy just buying another DB stack. However, I had an epiphany yesterday....what if I could combine the things I loved about my two fav 112 cabs and combine them into one cab. That would be "the cab for me". So I'm wondering, does this cab even exist. I'll describe my list of love/hate for ea cab, you tell me what cab I'm looking for.
love how a pair is devastating....but a single can handle most anything within reason
love the top end....very organic
love the non-bloomy low end....sounds almost sealed cab like
like the punch
dislike the in-yo-face mids....too much of a good thing
dislike the bottom end sometimes....can get too bloomy
mids are better than the ML112....sits better in the mix to my ears
these are punchy too....not as punchy as the ML's...but still pretty good
top end is good too...not as organic as the ML's, but still good
price....a used pair is the cost of one new ML112
Thats the short list. Im looking for a cab under 55lbs. Doesnt have to a 112 pair.....can be anything. Has to be able to fit in a hatchback Focus. What cab am I describing.
I've never played the ML's, so take this post with a grain of salt I guess... ;)
I did a pretty extensive cab shootout recently, comparing quite a few cabs and I went into it thinking that Aggie SL112's would be my dream rig. A pair of DB112s were among those I tested, and I ended up coming home with a pair of Bergantino CN112s. At the time, I went with the Bergs because they sat pretty squarely between the vintage-ness of the SLs and the more rock sound of the DB's. They also seemed to handle EQ better and be a little more dialable than the other 1x12s.
After a few weeks of trying them out (I say "trying," but they've definitely proven themselves and I know 100% that I'm keeping them), my CNs have been able to handle any sound I've wanted, from the Tower of Power/Stevie Wonder/Motown stuff of my funk band, the hip hop/r&b urban gospel band I play for, to a recent indie grunge rock studio session a couple weekends ago.
The descriptions of the things you like about both cabs would also be good descriptions of the Berg CNs. They are very well spoken cabs but not harsh, one cab is more than enough to keep up with my 11-piece funk band rehearsals, strong low end without being overpowering. My two CN112s with my Shuttle 6 is a stunningly loud rig for it's size, and each cab is about 28lbs. My whole rig is only a few pounds more than the weight you're looking for for a single cab, and easily fits in my Scion tC with a lot of room to spare. :)
The Berg CN112s are a little spendy ($750 each), but I don't regret the purchase for a single second. They're amazing. I'm very much looking forward to testing the full stack out tomorrow at an outdoor gig with my gospel band... We have 10 vocalists, 2 keys players, a sequencer/backing tracks, a drummer who is either loud or off and the leader has a general philosophy that "if it's not loud, it's not a show."
Hope that maybe helps at least a little!
Lots of great cabs, tried with several different amps and even a couple other players besides myself. It was a tough decision because they were all great cabs, but the Bergs won in the end for their versatility. Not included in the picture was a Berg CN212 which I spent a couple hours with the week before.
That's a sweet shot of Dan's shop there! 5SG. Good write up too
Thanks for the write up.....appreciate it!! The CN112's are one of the cabs I've over looked. $750 is pretty spendy. Despite the $$, I'll look into them. On a side note, how close/different are the CN's compared to the DB's? Just curious how the two compare.
Is this part of a mensa qualification quiz?
Comparing the CNs and DBs directly... The DBs have a great modern-ish rock tone, but like you said, the low end on the DBs didn't feel as focused and clear as the CNs. The high frequencies on the Aggies were a little too sizzly for me, even with the tweeter control. Like maybe the frequencies the cab was tuned at (but that's just a guess). The Berg high end feels more smooth and natural to me. Still plenty of high frequency snap, just sounded more pleasant to my ears, which is purely subjective of course.
The Bergs are more versatile as well, IMO. I can go from my funk cover band (Tower of Power, Stevie Wonder, Earth Wind & Fire, Steely Dan, etc) to my urban gospel band (Hip Hop, R&B type stuff) to things like that indie grunge rock project with the same amp and only a little EQing. With the DB's, it felt like they had their flavor, and that flavor would always be there. That was pretty much confirmed in conversation with the owner of the DBs, one of the shop guys who was extremely generous and brought them in for me to try out during the shootout.
One of the things I struggled with in that shootout was that ALL those cabs were GREAT. You really can't go wrong with any of them. With any gear, you reach a certain price point and it's all good. What it really comes down to is the flavor you're looking for... Pepsi or Coke?
+1 on the CN112. I just spent a whole week pestering sales people at a bunch of local shops making them plug and unplug every cab under the sun. By Friday, I felt stupid because I should have gotten the CN112 on Tuesday when I started this cab odyssey.
Yes they are expensive. However, they are very flexible, very loud, very light. YMMV but in my case, they happened to be the exact sound I was imagining.
I'm going to look at the CN212. That cab is almost $400 cheaper than pair of 12's. If it's an easy schlelp in and out of the Focus's hatch, then maybe the 212 might be an alternantive. Seems like the CN cabs are FOTM here at TB. I want to make sure I'm getting the right cab vs getting the newest flavor craze. Got some thing to do? A boutique shop here in McKinney stocks the CN212. Need to see if they have the 112's and possibly do a side x side. They might have some SL's in too. Needless to say, I need to swing by and see and see what they got.
Know what? I didn't even know much of anything about Bergantino in general (other than they existed) until I did that shootout, never heard anything about the CNs. I thought for sure that my "dream rig" would be the Aggie SLs.
When I really started looking at upgrading my cab setup, I ended up really liking the CN212, but I decided I wanted the versatility of the two single 12" cabs, despite the price difference. The single 2x12 would've been too much for some of what I do, so the two single cabs works out great. There's also not a huge sound difference between the two setups.
I did trade in my Avatars, so that took a solid chunk out of the price and helped lessen the blow of over $1400 just for cabs. They're KILLER cabs though, and Dan (the owner of Premier) says he sells a lot of them.
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