Cabinet Advice! HELP!

[bellis1]

Let me start by saying, I'm new to the whole "forum" thing. I signed up because I need some advice. I currently play with an experimental band in Georgia. I'm playing through a Sunn 1200s, and a SWR Goliath SWR 6x10 (4 ohm). It seems every time I play on the low E, my cabinet seems like its about to blow up. So, lately (to solve this problem) I've been looking into buying * preferably* a matching SWR 1x15 (4 ohm) to sit under my 6x10. My amp would then be pushing a total of 1200 watts at 2 ohms . 600 watts through each cab, right?

That leads me to my next point. I CAN'T FIND ONE! Does SWR even make a 1x15 4 ohm that can hold 600 watts? Much less, does ANYONE make one? Please help!

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by bellis1

Let me start by saying, I'm new to the whole "forum" thing. I signed up because I need some advice. I currently play with an experimental band in Georgia. I'm playing through a Sunn 1200s, and a SWR Goliath SWR 6x10 (4 ohm). It seems every time I play on the low E, my cabinet seems like its about to blow up. So, lately (to solve this problem) I've been looking into buying * preferably* a matching SWR 1x15 (4 ohm) to sit under my 6x10. My amp would then be pushing a total of 1200 watts at 2 ohms . 600 watts through each cab, right?

That leads me to my next point. I CAN'T FIND ONE! Does SWR even make a 1x15 4 ohm that can hold 600 watts? Much less, does ANYONE make one? Please help!

A 1x15 is a good match with a 2x10, not a 6x10. Your problem isn't power, it's driver displacement, and a 1x15 won't add enough to hardly tell the difference.

[bellis1]

What do you mean, "driver displacement?"

[Stumpy]

I have friends that have the Eden 6x10 and they never complain about the sound like you are on the SWR cab.

Try one of the Eden boxes. I personally use 6 10's but in a 4x10 + 2x10 config. Try it out...

Eden WT800C
Eden D410XLT
Eden D210XST

my 5er sounds great through it...

JMT

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by bellis1

What do you mean, "driver displacement?"

Theile/Small parameter Vd, it's what determines how much output a driver is capable of. The average 1x15 has less Vd than the average 4x10, and half that of the average 6x10. For you to get a significant boost in output you need to double your current displacement.

[bellis1]

And how would you recommend "doubling my current displacement?"

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by bellis1

And how would you recommend "doubling my current displacement?"

Add another 6x10.

[dmrogers]

Originally Posted by bellis1

And how would you recommend "doubling my current displacement?"

Another 6x10? That would double your current displacement.

What are your eq settings?

[Crabby]

Perhaps you need to try some other cabinets. We don't know how you are eq'ing your set up and what volumes you play at which all makes a huge difference in determining if a particular cabinet will work for you. A punchy tight tone without boosted low end will allow you to play through a 610 cab at much higher volumes then a dubby tone with lots of added low end.

If the SWR610 cab you already have is not working for you, I would suggest adding another 610, or perhaps a 215 cab. But really if a high powered 610 can't get the job done, I would be seriously looking at how you are eq'ing your sound.

[bellis1]

basic EQ settings are roughly as follows:
Treble: 5/6
Bass: 6/7
Mid: 5/6

However, on the sans amp, im using:
treble: 6/7
bass: 5/6
Mid: 6/7

Ive heard of a few people setting their amp eqs to flat and dialing up a tone with JUST the sans amp. However, I haven't tried that. Any suggestions? I've been researching and I'm thinking about getting a Carvin BR 18, and a Carvin BR 410

[xjeremiahx]

Originally Posted by bellis1

basic EQ settings are roughly as follows:
Treble: 5/6
Bass: 6/7
Mid: 5/6

However, on the sans amp, im using:
treble: 6/7
bass: 5/6
Mid: 6/7

Ive heard of a few people setting their amp eqs to flat and dialing up a tone with JUST the sans amp. However, I haven't tried that. Any suggestions? I've been researching and I'm thinking about getting a Carvin BR 18, and a Carvin BR 410

What kind of bass are you playing?Active? Passive? Gotta be careful you're not peaking your signal too soon. I have the same cabinet and I found that I needed to roll my EQ on my bass(Stingray5) down a bit so that my signal wasn't clipping before it even hit the cab & made it fart like hell.

Also, SWR makes a 2x15 that is the same size(roughly) as the 6x10...now THAT'd be a fun setup

[bellis1]

I'm playing a Geddy Lee Jazz. (passive)
I use both of my pickups, constantly.
Usually the treble knob on the bass is on about 2.

[xjeremiahx]

Originally Posted by bellis1

I'm playing a Geddy Lee Jazz. (passive)
I use both of my pickups, constantly.
Usually the treble knob on the bass is on about 2.

Hrm, then disregard my comment haha. I'll leave this one up to Mr. Fitzmaurice...

[bellis1]

What would you think about a BR 410 cabinet as well as a BR 118 cabinet?
I would think that would cover lows to high's easily.

[xjeremiahx]

Well, as most of the people on this board will probably agree with me when I say this, it's not the size of the speaker that matters most. You have to look at each cabinet in itself and see what it brings to the table - frequency response, rms, ohms, etc. THEN pair then up accordingly. An almost sure-fire bet is a 2x10 + 1x15. LOTS of people enjoy this setup, and it's known for handling the frequencies very well & not having many issues as far as sound dispersion goes.

As I said though, Mr. Fitzmaurice builds speakers for a living, he's much more the speaker/sound expert than I am.

[bellis1]

Although I would love to have (and carry) around a 2x10 and 1x15, that would be nowhere near enough power for me.

[kai_ski]

Sell your SWR and get this: FS/FT: Schroeder 610L in Rhino w/OEM cover

assuming I can't raise the funds first.

[meRTKendrew]

Originally Posted by bellis1

Although I would love to have (and carry) around a 2x10 and 1x15, that would be nowhere near enough power for me.

What does the cab have to do with the amount of power? The cab has whatever power is provided to it by the amp. Your 6x10 obviously isnt getting the job done, so i would listen to the suggestions on here.
Also, i suggest you think about selling your current cab and check out others. Maybe the Ampeg 610HLF would be more to your liking.



-RTK

[rpsands]

I am pretty sure your problem is the sansamp. Take it out of the equation.

My recollection is that the Sansamp is a naturally mid-scooped pre, with lots of bass innate, so since you're boosting bass there and on your SWR (another naturally bassy preamp)

Just unplug the Sansamp. See if it works then.

[bellis1]

@meRTKendrew. What I mean was I would be pushing too much power for the 2x10/1x15 to handle. As stated earlier, i'm looking to just get a carvin 4x10 and a carvin 1x18. My favorite bass tone is Ben Kenney (just so you guys know the sound im trying to capture with my rig)