Cabinet with dual inputs-full range and LPF?

amos · #1 04-01-2011, 02:50 AM

I'm wondering if there is a big bass cabinet in existence that has dual inputs, one full-range with the horn, and one for just the woofers, essentially a LPF at 5k or whatever.

I'm trying to run distortion only through woofers, and yet be able to run everything else (synth, kaoss, pad), all full range.

My old setup used a solid-state guitar combo for distortion, and a bbe/qsc amp through an avatar 410. It worked well, but was kind of a headache when it came to running through a PA, as it was easy to get the sound guy to make it sound like crap.

If I could simplify this setup to using the bbe/qsc through one big cabinet, that would be ideal. But I have no interest in the painful sound of bass fuzz going through a tweeter or horn. 6" driver sure.

Ideas? Thanks for the input. Greenboy doesn't except PMs, so I'm asking you guys!

amos · #2 04-01-2011, 02:59 AM

If my QSC PLX1602 could actually put out decent power in stereo mode, I could run one two preamps, one for the full range, and one rolled off at 5k, but alas the 1602 really only works well bridged, I have used it for 8 years and experimented with every different configuration, and it never gets the job done in stereo unfortunately.

Arjank · #3 04-01-2011, 03:00 AM

There are cabs with a bypass switch for the tweet. But I don't know which cabs have that option.
But, it's easy to mod an existing cab.

amos · #4 04-01-2011, 03:03 AM

is there a decent EQ pedal out there that I could use after the fuzz pedal?

amos · #5 04-01-2011, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Arjank

There are cabs with a bypass switch for the tweet. But I don't know which cabs have that option.
But, it's easy to mod an existing cab.

the thing is, I want to use the tweeter for my synth and kaoss pad/sampler

Arjank · #6 04-01-2011, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by amos

is there a decent EQ pedal out there that I could use after the fuzz pedal?

Best is to have a switchable lowpasfilter in your signal chain. A stompbox LPF would be a great thing, I don't know if they exist.
But, the cool thing is, they are easy to build.
Low Pass Filter
Get yerself an empty stompbox with switch and add the passive components

amos · #7 04-01-2011, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Arjank

Best is to have a switchable lowpasfilter in your signal chain. A stompbox LPF would be a great thing, I don't know if they exist.
But, the cool thing is, they are easy to build.
Low Pass Filter
Get yerself an empty stompbox with switch and add the passive components

Yeah, I thought about this, it's a very good idea. All the LPF stomp boxes I've seen are envelope filters, but I bet it's ridiculously easy to build a LPF that crosses over at 5k. Simple on/off circuit. Boom.

amos · #8 04-01-2011, 03:20 AM

What is the HPF cutoff for a tweeter in a bass cabinet usually?

Arjank · #9 04-01-2011, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by amos

What is the HPF cutoff for a tweeter in a bass cabinet usually?

Most 410's have a crossover point of approx 3.5khz.

Arjank · #10 04-01-2011, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by amos

Yeah, I thought about this, it's a very good idea. All the LPF stomp boxes I've seen are envelope filters, but I bet it's ridiculously easy to build a LPF that crosses over at 5k. Simple on/off circuit. Boom.

Bu sure that the switch can bypass the resistor and cut-out the capacitor so you get the "original" signal back. This is, when you only use a 1st order LPF. With a 2nd order LPF you need to double it.

amos · #11 04-01-2011, 04:16 AM

I guess my next hunt is what 6x10 cab to buy. I really want the Bergantino NV610, but the more I think about it, the more a full-range cab makes more sense if I'm going to be running a synth and a sampler through my cabinet. The Schroeder and Markbass 6x10 cabs are awfully light. Think they'd have more low end than an Avatar B410 neo? I dug the sound of the Avatar, just wish it had a little bit more low end. I like aggressive mids that a neo-loaded cab like the Schroeder can produce for my bass guitar sound, but I'm going to be running sampled 808-style bass hits, as well as analog synth.

amos · #12 04-01-2011, 04:24 AM

After all this, I think I may just end up getting the Bergantino NV610. My heart is set on that cab. I am going to mainly be playing bass guitar through it, so I think the little bit of synth and samples that don't get ran through the PA, will just have to work without the tweeter. This of course will remove my need to build a custom pedal to get the distortion sound I want hah!

billfitzmaurice · #13 04-01-2011, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by amos

My old setup used a solid-state guitar combo for distortion, and a bbe/qsc amp through an avatar 410. It worked well, but was kind of a headache when it came to running through a PA, as it was easy to get the sound guy to make it sound like crap.!

That's the best way to do it. You just need to have two channels on the board, separately micing the two cabs.

Passinwind · #14 04-01-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by amos

I'm wondering if there is a big bass cabinet in existence that has dual inputs, one full-range with the horn, and one for just the woofers, essentially a LPF at 5k or whatever.

I'm trying to run distortion only through woofers, and yet be able to run everything else (synth, kaoss, pad), all full range.

You can do that very effectively with the right DSP speaker management system and a biamped rig. My little DIY one would work.