Cabinet for Little Mark III
Guys who uses Markbass gear, a question to you: If you had to chose between Traveller 102P and New York 604 - which one would you chose for LMIII head?
Between those two I'd get the 102P, but it's because I need the bigger sound and SPL. What I DID get is two Traveler151P cabs, although one is usually enough. I'd like to have a Barefaced Compact.
These sound great through Bergantino 12's.
In saying that I use markbass 112 cabs off a momark head but i anticipate that if I had to make a choice that's what I would go for
If you get the 102p you can always double it later or match to a 12 or 15 if you need to
I appreciate not everyone on TB is into markbass gear but I have steadily progressed away from other gear and have built my little markbass rig up and I am very happy with it
Thank you guys! Any other ideas?
I LOVE the LMIII, and to me, if you have the cash, it sounds particularly good with the Bergantino AE112 or AE210 (discontinued, but they turn up used), and also I would guess the new CN112. All these cabs would outperform the two Markbass Cabs you are looking at.
On a lower budget, the GK Neo112(II) (especially if you get two of them) is impressive for the money).
If you don't mind a bit more weight, the Bergantino HS210 (discontinued, but they come up used) or the Bergantino HD210 (slight revision of the HS210) are small, warm, punchy, high sensitivity, and sound great with the LMIII.
That head sounds pretty nice with everything I've tried, so you are most likely going to be reasonably happy with anything you get.
PS The 604 is tonally impressive, but it is high 'cost per output'... not particularly loud or deep. Beautiful midrange definition though.
From those two.... the 102p.
But, an Aguilar GS112 goes great with Markbass.
I have a LMIII running through a pair of GK Neo 112's. Great sounding rig! You can get a pair of used Neo 112's for the cost of one Markbass cabinet.
I had the LMIII and 102p + 151p
Very versatile, could get different vibes from either cab or extremely loud with both.
102p was punchier with less low end. This worked well enough with most of my jams and small gigs. Mostly punk and rock n roll. This cab is so light and small, it is amazing.
Added the 151p when 102p started to get drowned out playing with guys that cranked it too loud in practice and more doom/drone stuff.
Ended up with LM Tube 800 and these cabs to be stupid loud enough to keep up with pretty much anything. So many people could not believe the sound that came from such a small light rig.
My personal favorite Markbass cabs are the Traveler 121H followed by the 15" cabs.
I use a LMIII with Avatar cabs. Sounds great!
A 410 4ohm for max power and A 112 8ohm for practice and smaller gigs.
I have the traveller 1-12 too,it has a better tweeter in it than most of their cabs,but the best thing is it comes with an attenuator,so you can just turn the darn thing off.....
I would really like to hear one of the NY 604 cabs,though.
I am happy with my Avatar cabs. I use 2x10 for most bar gigs, add a 1x15 for bigger bars/venues, outdoors, etc.
Me again :)
Each to their own and my comments are in full respect for all comments above
The tweeters in markbass cop a fair bit of criticism but like it was said above they can be attenuated
Whilst we can criticise mark bass I can also say the same about a blown tweeter in an Eden 112 that I had
But we as players generally blow the tweeter because we don't attenuate properly
Yes it's also true Aguilar etc are good cabs
But not so true on gk neo because markbass are neo two
So if price is an issue then sure get a cheaper cab
But like most things we get what we pay for and prices can vary depending on taxes or import duties etc etc and this can distort the value proposition when comparing products
Some people like to match gear with gear others don't care so much for matching and buy each component based on the calibre of the unit etc
Like I play a fender bass but I don't own and have never owned a fender cab
in context of the question and from practical experience with mark bass and some of the comments above the 102p isn't a bad choice
But each of us have to make own choice
I know when I played my j bass through a 102p at a retail that the sound was more mid and tops
The guy in the shop ran over almost apologising and asking me if I wanted to try a different cab and I said no
Here I was with a maple neck testing out the treble cos I was interested to check out how the cab handled a certain frequency range
I wasn't looking to the 102p to provide 'sick bottom end' it can certainly provide decent bottom end from the perspective of a 10 cab
But if I wanted deep I would have checked out the 15
The moral of all this is get a cab that will suit the music and work you want to do
In my case I was cautious as I was leaning more to a 112 and I eventually built on that with a second 112
If you like the 102p and you want to match with the lm you will have a great little rig and then enjoy it for what it is and build on it
But if you get hell bent on gk cabs then cool go for them or Aguilar etc
A lot of people rave about this or that gear and then surprise surprise the so called great gear is then up for sale...and they are onto the next gas
At the end of the day it's your rig your sound and your choice
Mark bass gear has some great and unique tone opportunities and it can take some time to understand how to glean the best out of it, but once you start finding the sweet spots your little markbass rig starts to justify its price and the other so called 'better' gear doesn't seem to somehow have the same attraction
That is not to say there isn't other good or better gear out there, its just to say that you will be able to find yourself in the mix if you are running markbass rig and if you keep working on how to engineer you sound
So, 102p ?? It will be a good choice if its a 2 x 10 can that you are after, but don't compare it with a 15 or 12 because its a 10.
Nuff said from me
First, you seem to be equating 'neo' with 'inferior'. This is FAR from the case, and many of today's top performing, high end bass cabs happen to use drivers with more powerful smaller magnets (neo)... Thunderchild cabs, fEARful cabs, Bergantino CN cabs, Aguilar SL cabs (if I have that name right), Epifani DIST cabs, etc., etc.
So, don't confuse magnet design with quality. Those little GK neo's are quite something.
Regarding tweeters, the very cheap piezo tweeters are prone to failure at much higher rates than compression drivers, and again, I would stay away from cabs that use those myself. They also extend much higher in the treble (i.e., they tend to reproduce hiss from a signal chain at a higher level than more traditional compression driver tweeters, that roll off a bit below the upper-upper treble).
Finally, driver size has little to do with anything these days... it is all about cabinet voicing and mechanical driver design. There are quite a few 10" loaded cabs that greatly outperform old school 15" loaded cabs in low end response and maximum volume.
So, to the OP, don't get stuck with the 'I need a certain driver size to get my tone' or 'I want heavy magnets for a heavy tone':D Not really the case at this point.
Again, Markbass makes some great cabs, and their drivers are top notch. I would personally stay away from the 'P' models, since they not only use those cheap piezo's that are more likely to fail , but they are quite expensive given that 'tweeter compromise' IMO. That Jeff Berlin combo and the Randy Jackson cab... killer IMO.
IMO and IME.
But to be clear I am not putting neo's down , clearly they are good
And true about cab design
But a 10 and a 15 are different by virtue of size
As to how that transposes onto tone and sound depends on many things
Bottom line and in response to the question a markbass 102p matched to a lm is a good choice or to put it the other way it's not a bad choice
I understand wanting to have a matching Markbass rig since I for one, like the looks and sound. Two 102p cabs would work for most players especially for 4 strings. I play 5ers so went with 2 102hf cabs. 1 102hf can easily handle low volume gigs.
Guys, thanks a lot for your feedbacks, I've studied everything thoroughly. I ended up with buying NY604 cab and it's amazing. Sure it's not a low end king but it gives me very articulated low mids that are likely to cut through the mix. Perfect option for small club and coffeeshop gigs. And it's extremely portable for 600 Watt(!!!) cab. It can also get ridiculously loud :) Another thing that impressed me is that when I plugged in my Micromark801 combo (which is only 65 Watt at 8 Ohm) it gave very tight lows and was surprisingly loud.
I don't think you'll be sorry. I run a LMIII through one or two NY604 cabs and it's absolutely killer. I couldn't be happier with this rig.
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