Cabinet Upgrade to solve 'farting' problems?

[TheRockinRoadie]

Hi TB'ers,

After gigging with an Ashdown EB12-180 for a few years, i upgraded to a Marshall MB450H with an MBC115 Cab, which was bought by my family for me for christmas.

When i went to try the half-stack out, everything was fine, but when i got it home and started gigging with it, i noticed that the cab had a really annoying fart and rattle on the low notes, and apparently this is 'the norm' for this rig. It also doesnt seem to cut through our mix

I'm thinking about upgrading the cabinet to something better - which means i'll need a decent 4ohm cab, hopefully with less farting and alot more mids,

or

I can save and buy 2x 8ohm Ashdown cabs, so i can eventually go back to having an Ashdown rig. I miss my Ashdown =[

What would you do? Any cabinet recommendations?

Cheers

[Mr. Foxen]

The impedance (ohms) has very little to do with the farting. Best getting an 8 ohm cab, giving you the option of a second when you want to get louder.

There isn't s specification published on cabs that tells you how low/loud they go before they start farting, especially not the 'watts' rating. Might want to throw a budget up, cause there is a whole world of speakers ahead of the Marshall.

Also, depending on what eq you have, avoid bumping the very bottom, if you have a graphic eq, the bottom slider is often just a fart increaser and doesn't actually change the amount of bottom, due to the limitations of cabinets.

[RNV]

The Carvin BRX10.4 Neo is an inexpensive 4ohm cab that can handle lots of power and lows very well. I'm pushing 1200W @ 4ohms to it tuned to drop C and it doesn't even flinch.

http://www.carvinguitars.com/bassamp...sscabinets.php

[Bassmec]

Originally Posted by TheRockinRoadie

Hi TB'ers,

After gigging with an Ashdown EB12-180 for a few years, i upgraded to a Marshall MB450H with an MBC115 Cab, which was bought by my family for me for christmas.

When i went to try the half-stack out, everything was fine, but when i got it home and started gigging with it, i noticed that the cab had a really annoying fart and rattle on the low notes, and apparently this is 'the norm' for this rig. It also doesnt seem to cut through our mix

I'm thinking about upgrading the cabinet to something better - which means i'll need a decent 4ohm cab, hopefully with less farting and alot more mids,

or

I can save and buy 2x 8ohm Ashdown cabs, so i can eventually go back to having an Ashdown rig. I miss my Ashdown =[

What would you do? Any cabinet recommendations?

Cheers

Cooper the bass player for Conflict Within who is from Bury St Edmunds has the same setup as you but with the marshall 4 X 10 on top I think he changed the driver in the fifteen inch cab to an eminence but his rig is very loud, sounds great and don't fart:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Co...n/203737345784

[TheRockinRoadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Foxen

The impedance (ohms) has very little to do with the farting. Best getting an 8 ohm cab, giving you the option of a second when you want to get louder.

There isn't s specification published on cabs that tells you how low/loud they go before they start farting, especially not the 'watts' rating. Might want to throw a budget up, cause there is a whole world of speakers ahead of the Marshall.

Also, depending on what eq you have, avoid bumping the very bottom, if you have a graphic eq, the bottom slider is often just a fart increaser and doesn't actually change the amount of bottom, due to the limitations of cabinets.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick there, im not talking about the impedance changing anywthing, i just have to have 4 ohms connected to my head.

[TheRockinRoadie]

is it worth upghrading to an eminence driver?

[Wes Whitmore]

No you don't HAVE to run at 4 ohm. That amp will run two 8 ohm cabs, or 1 4 ohm cab to get the full 450 watts out of it. Your single 4 ohm cab looks matched decently if you don't crank it to 11...

[Bassmec]

Originally Posted by TheRockinRoadie

is it worth upghrading to an eminence driver?

Ask Cooper what driver he used in his 1 X 15 cab if you get a 4 X 10 8 ohm cab as well it will be loads better than a single 1 X 15 whatever the impedance of the driver.
In Rock Bass and Drag Racing, there is no substitute for cubic inches.

[rpsands]

In the UK, I wouldn't even consider playing anything other than a Barefaced cabinet. Get a hold of Alex and find out what he thinks would work for you and don't look back

He won't say what I will which is that the stuff he's doing blows the doors off of everyone at a significantly lower price generally.

[mercuryl]

Or you could replace the EEC83 pre amp valve. This amp will make farting noises (on the classic channel) when the valve is on its way out.

[fretno]

I would think it was something you ate

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by rpsands

In the UK, I wouldn't even consider playing anything other than a Barefaced cabinet. Get a hold of Alex and find out what he thinks would work for you and don't look back

He won't say what I will which is that the stuff he's doing blows the doors off of everyone at a significantly lower price generally.

+1. I refrain from recommending specific brands in general because most have glaring engineering and/or construction flaws. Barefaced is a glowing exception. Two thumbs up.
As to the question, a driver change might be beneficial, but the only way to know that is by knowing exactly what driver is in the cab now. Even then a better driver may not help if the cab design is flawed.

[vinxbass]

Originally Posted by RNV

The Carvin BRX10.4 Neo is an inexpensive 4ohm cab that can handle lots of power and lows very well. I'm pushing 1200W @ 4ohms to it tuned to drop C and it doesn't even flinch.

http://www.carvinguitars.com/bassamp...sscabinets.php

I second this choice. I've got one that I've had going on 2 yrs now and it's been a very reliable cab, as well as sounding very good.

[RickenBoogie]

The op's problem, (as I see it), is the expectation that a single 15 is enough. It isn't. In this case, he should sell the 4 ohm 15, and get an 8 ohm 4x10, which would leave the possibility of adding another later, if even more volume is required.

[CopperheadLXXIX]

Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

The op's problem, (as I see it), is the expectation that a single 15 is enough. It isn't. In this case, he should sell the 4 ohm 15, and get an 8 ohm 4x10, which would leave the possibility of adding another later, if even more volume is required.

I have the 2x10 combo version of the same amp, and the OP would actually be cool getting a 4x10 4ohm cab and still have room for another later, as the Marshall runs its full 450 watts @ 2 ohms.

[BassmanPaul]

Originally Posted by TheRockinRoadie

is it worth upghrading to an eminence driver?

ONLY if the Eminence driver you choose will work well in your cabinet. You could be worse off if it doesn't.

Paul