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Chico16 03-14-2013 09:56 PM

Cables - speaker/instrument
 
I've always used an instrument cable to connect my cabinet to my amp. Is this damaging my equipment to the point I REALLY need to invest in speaker cables/speakon cables?

96tbird 03-14-2013 10:07 PM

It can cause over heating of the output tranny (or circuit) from what amp manufacturers say in their literature. The hot lead on an instrument cable is very small gauge. Better safe than sorry. Use at least 14 gauge wire.

two fingers 03-14-2013 10:11 PM

Oy! Get a speaker cable! And read this!

http://www.notreble.com/buzz/2010/07...peaker-cables/

B-string 03-14-2013 10:16 PM

I stopped counting how may amp repairs were needed from someone using an instrument cable for SPEAKERS. :rollno::rollno:

Speakers are NOT instruments, they are speakers.

Bassamatic 03-14-2013 10:18 PM

You've been dang lucky! Instrument cables will overheat, and eventually short or open - either can be disastrous to your amp and your gig. This is one of the real problems with using 1/4" plugs for speakers. It has always been a really bad idea.

Speaker cable do not have to be expensive - avoid the esoteric ones and perhaps learn to make your own from an AC extension cord and a couple of plugs. If you get plugs with screw terminals, you don't even need to solder.

Even 18 gauge like a lamp cord is fine for short runs and 16 ga. is better for longer runs.

Chico16 03-14-2013 10:20 PM

Damn.... I guess I really have been lucky! Lol my Behringer stack has been putting up a hell of a fight then!! So a 14 gauge is fine?

96tbird 03-15-2013 05:51 AM

14 is fine. You could run a football field with that heavy of a gauge.

Russell L 03-15-2013 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico16 (Post 14033667)
Damn.... I guess I really have been lucky! Lol my Behringer stack has been putting up a hell of a fight then!! So a 14 gauge is fine?

It ain't just about the guage, pal. Get one marked "Speaker Cable."

two fingers 03-15-2013 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Russell L (Post 14034344)
It ain't just about the guage, pal. Get one marked "Speaker Cable."

This. Better yet, walk up to "the guy" at "the store" and tell him you want a short speaker cable. And THEN confirm that the package/cable itself reads "speaker" and the the size of the cable on it.

Andyman001 03-15-2013 06:28 AM

+1 to all

Open up an old instrument cable (unscrew the end) and look at the wire size, or cut open a bad cord. That small wire in the middle, or soldered to the tip of the plug is probably only 20 awg, which is very small, to run any power (speaker signal) through.

1958Bassman 03-15-2013 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chico16 (Post 14033584)
I've always used an instrument cable to connect my cabinet to my amp. Is this damaging my equipment to the point I REALLY need to invest in speaker cables/speakon cables?

What kind of amp- if it's high power, it's more risky. Read your manuals. You don't need to spend a lot on the cables, but they need to be made with speaker cable. The difference in signal level (voltage) and other characteristics is substantial. If the jacks work with 1/4" or Speakon plugs, use whatever you want- this has already worked with 1/4", so.......

Mike in Chicago 03-15-2013 08:15 AM

I did what the OP did for many years I always wondered why my amps sounded like ****.

ezstep 03-15-2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 1958Bassman (Post 14034872)
...if it's high power, it's more risky...


I was about to point this out to the OP. Back in the day when a decent bass amp was 35-50 watts, it still mattered using a speaker rather than instrument cable, but not as much as today. My lowest rated bass amp today is 600 wts @ 4 ohms. It matters much more today than it did 40 years ago.

And speakon? Yes, it is worth it, if your amp and cab are already set up for speakon. Buy it one time. 10 years from now you will still be using that same cable.

Chico16 03-15-2013 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by two fingers (Post 14034363)
This. Better yet, walk up to "the guy" at "the store" and tell him you want a short speaker cable. And THEN confirm that the package/cable itself reads "speaker" and the the size of the cable on it.

Yea guys I was already looking for a cable labeled as speaker cable just wondering if the gauges would make a big difference that's all. I'm dumb but not THAT dumb lol

Chico16 03-15-2013 02:48 PM

The earlier posts were able to inform me of the importance of using a speaker cable over an instrument cable, I was moving on to a different question. But never mind I guess lol thanks though guys!

B-string 03-15-2013 02:53 PM

Another amp and gig saved! :D

1958Bassman 03-15-2013 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chico16 (Post 14037080)
Yea guys I was already looking for a cable labeled as speaker cable just wondering if the gauges would make a big difference that's all. I'm dumb but not THAT dumb lol

Gauge only matters if the cable is long and the wire's characteristics cause problems when the frequency range is especially wide or there's a small tolerance for variations. For a short one, 16 is fine for short distance and less than 100W, but you'd still have some voltage drop.

Here's a calculator-
http://www.bcae1.com/images/swfs/spe...rassistant.swf

AMJBASS 03-15-2013 04:26 PM

Cable is cheap. Amplifiers are not. Get a good quality speaker cable and be done with.

ericg3 03-15-2013 04:40 PM

When your cables are mixed up in a box how do you know which one is a speaker cable and which is an instrument cable

96tbird 03-15-2013 04:50 PM

A tab of cloth medical tape on the speaker cable maybe? Color coded velcro wraps? Spray paint the ends? There must be a million ways limited only by imagination.


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