Carvin BR Bass Cabs??

**Ronny49** · #1 10-01-2010, 09:40 PM

Hey... I've been doing searches on Carvin bass cabs and am not coming up with a lot. I currently own a 410 and 212 Avatar and thinking of getting rid of them. The 410 B farts on me. I want more bottom end as I play classic hard rock and the Carvin cabs are deeper built. I know about the Avatar Eminence speakers supposedly putting out more bottom end, but I'm not seeing where that is true.

I'm looking at the Carvin BR410 8 ohm/800 watts and the equivalent 118 cab.

Any thoughts on this issue?

Oh and I am running a Traynor DB800 head.

drdunwoody · #2 10-01-2010, 09:45 PM

inquiring minds want to know...

craig.p · #3 10-02-2010, 05:00 AM

You say you want more bottom end, so that tells me you're trying to get it with your bass control(s) feeding reflex cabs that have probably already rolled off by that point, and that in turn tells me you might have a subsonic problem you don't even know about. Try putting a subsonic filter into the effects loop. I've lost count of how many times this has fixed problems like yours, both in bass rigs and in PA kit. I'm not saying this IS the problem, just that it's a possibility.

5port · #4 10-02-2010, 05:23 AM

The BR series are sealed cabs. They are good cabs but will only extend so far. If you switch to the BRX 4X10 you will not need any other cab or sub.

**Ronny49** · #5 10-02-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by craig.p

You say you want more bottom end, so that tells me you're trying to get it with your bass control(s) feeding reflex cabs that have probably already rolled off by that point, and that in turn tells me you might have a subsonic problem you don't even know about. Try putting a subsonic filter into the effects loop. I've lost count of how many times this has fixed problems like yours, both in bass rigs and in PA kit. I'm not saying this IS the problem, just that it's a possibility.

Well, I used to have a Bugera BVP5500 head that gave me a massive amount of sub bass, which I love! I got rid of it foolishly because it was hissing and buzzing. later, I found a way to correct that though I no longer had the head. Let me also say that I have had two more Bugeras since that did NOT have the bass of the first one. Go figure! Bugera...

That head ran through the same cabs that the Traynor is now running through and lacks sub bass. Meaning, no shaking of the walls unless I crank the volume and THAT WILL shake the walls. But I want sub bass to do that job.

The Carvin cabs are deeper by 3 inches and that can help create a bit more bottom end in a cab.

I called Traynor/Yorkville to ask about the sub bass and they said this head should provide plenty of sub bass. Well, I have not seen this to be true. He then said there must be an issue with the head I purchased. Bummer... I bought it used and no warranty exists.

I just called Guitar Center and asked them about it and they had not one clue what the heck a sub-sonic filer is. I had to repeat it several times for them to comprehend what I was saying. But then again, GC is nothing more than a WalMart for musical instruments w/ people that know nothing more than to sell you whatever crap they can! They are even limited on selection. Most of their stuff is junk anyway.

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Originally Posted by 5port

The BR series are sealed cabs. They are good cabs but will only extend so far. If you switch to the BRX 4X10 you will not need any other cab or sub.

What if I pulled the tweeters out? Then there would be a bit of a port. The BRX is a 4 ohm cab and I want two cabs for the look of a stack. We are playing classic hard rock and putting on the show of it also. Plus, the BRX series are 10 pounds heavier!

shoot-r · #6 10-03-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronny49

Hey... I've been doing searches on Carvin bass cabs and am not coming up with a lot. I currently own a 410 and 212 Avatar and thinking of getting rid of them. The 410 B farts on me. I want more bottom end as I play classic hard rock and the Carvin cabs are deeper built. I know about the Avatar Eminence speakers supposedly putting out more bottom end, but I'm not seeing where that is true.

I'm looking at the Carvin BR410 8 ohm/800 watts and the equivalent 118 cab.

Any thoughts on this issue?

Oh and I am running a Traynor DB800 head.

IMHO, if your playing that extremely loud with enough extended low-end that 4 - 10 inch and 2 - 12 inch Eminence speakers aren't keeping up it has nothing to do with their being Avatar cabinets.
You need to move more air, which means more inches of speaker cone surface area.
I'd suggest your lookin' into a Ampeg SVT tube head and one or two 810 cabinets, (two cabinets makes for probably one of the loudest rigs on the planet), or since your working with a Traynor head one or two Traynor 810 cabinets.

brendanbassist · #7 10-03-2010, 12:07 PM

I have a BRX4.10NEO. It goes pretty deep, and handles 1200 watts. But I prefer the tone of my Avatar 2x10.

**Ronny49** · #8 10-05-2010, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by shoot-r

IMHO, if your playing that extremely loud with enough extended low-end that 4 - 10 inch and 2 - 12 inch Eminence speakers aren't keeping up it has nothing to do with their being Avatar cabinets.
You need to move more air, which means more inches of speaker cone surface area.
I'd suggest your lookin' into a Ampeg SVT tube head and one or two 810 cabinets, (two cabinets makes for probably one of the loudest rigs on the planet), or since your working with a Traynor head one or two Traynor 810 cabinets.

I am NOT playing that loud and I think you are missing the point. You don't need to crank your amp to get sub bass if your head is capable. My head is suppose to be capable, yet there isn't very much bass coming forth, yet the Avatar 410 FARTS!

On another note:
Many guys have said that the Carvin 810 blows away the Ampeg and I am not going to get into a battle about this though. Check the specs of each cab yourself and compare.

I am not an Ampeg fan, period. There are other products that are walking all over Ampeg these days in MY opinion.

Bob C · #9 10-05-2010, 07:45 AM

Ronnie,

I understand your reasons for not wanting to get the Carvin BRX cabs - mainly that they are 4 ohms. But from everything I've read, the BR series are just plain inferior - especially for your goals. That's why they cost less.

A ported cab is designed to produce more deep bass than a sealed cab, and removing the tweeter or making some other type of hole is just a crap shoot.

I'm kind of going through the same "mix and match", "trial and error" ritual with speaker cabinets. Keep trying out as much equipment as you can.

Barisaxman · #10 10-05-2010, 01:57 PM

I played a BR4.10 for a couple of years and really enjoyed it, but it will not give you a ton of low end on it's own, as it's rated -10db at 40hz. If you stick a 18 under it, however, you should have plenty of low end, as the BR18 is supposedly something like -3db all the way down to 30hz.

shoot-r · #11 10-05-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronny49

I am NOT playing that loud and I think you are missing the point. You don't need to crank your amp to get sub bass if your head is capable. My head is suppose to be capable, yet there isn't very much bass coming forth, yet the Avatar 410 FARTS!

On another note:
Many guys have said that the Carvin 810 blows away the Ampeg and I am not going to get into a battle about this though. Check the specs of each cab yourself and compare.

I am not an Ampeg fan, period. There are other products that are walking all over Ampeg these days in MY opinion.

Sorry man that I offended you...
Guess you missed the part when I said, "I suggest"...
That's all it was...

bassplayer8953 · #12 10-05-2010, 07:34 PM

I run a BR210 and a BR115 (powered by a BX600) and they can get plenty of low end. 'Ya gotta play with the eq, because the "flat" setting produces lots of mids and highs, less low end. But given a bit of eq they put out the low/mids & low/lows just fine.

firmlybassed · #13 10-31-2010, 04:11 PM

I have the BRX-410 Neo, BR-410, BR115 and the BR118. BRX-410 is the lowest sounding 4X10 cabinet I have ever heard. I pair it with the BR15 which actually sounds higher in the frequency range than the BRX410. I pair the BR118 and BR410 together in my other rig. I run a Sansamp RBI into a BBE MaxCom then into either a carvin or mackie power amp running each channel into each cab. You do need eq. I found the Boss GEB-7 works great for adjusting the eq of the cabs along with the sansamp. Nothing major just a little additions of of bass to warm up the powerful mids. I play in a classic rock band with 2 guitars and a Ludwig power drummer. Never have a problem cutting through and get many compliments from piers at shows.