Carvin PS10-8 vs beta10-a tone

kringle77 · #1 08-19-2011, 08:58 AM

I know that these are supposed to be pretty much the same driver but, has anyone here actually had both and compared them? I wondering if the carvin has the same 3khz peak that the eminence beta has or, if it's dead sounding like the early 2000 ampeg oem? The carvins actually have a listed x-max of 4mm where the eminence have 3mm listed. Hmmm

billfitzmaurice · #2 08-19-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kringle77

I know that these are supposed to be pretty much the same driver but, has anyone here actually had both and compared them?

They used to be, but aren't anymore.

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I wondering if the carvin has the same 3khz peak that the eminence beta has

Only an SPL chart will say, and Carvin doesn't have one.

kringle77 · #3 08-19-2011, 09:43 AM

Yeah, they are china made now I think and carvin gives that plant the specs they want. The carvin tech said they should be as close as possible to their eminence OEM's but, you know how that is. Just wondering if someone had actually heard them in person because if they sound the same, have 1mm more x-max and cost $20 less, buying the carvins over the eminence would be a no brainner.

billfitzmaurice · #4 08-19-2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kringle77

Yeah, they are china made now I think and carvin gives that plant the specs they want. The carvin tech said they should be as close as possible to their eminence OEM's but, you know how that is. Just wondering if someone had actually heard them in person because if they sound the same, have 1mm more x-max and cost $20 less, buying the carvins over the eminence would be a no brainner.

I run into this all the time, people using cheaper drivers in my designs instead of the recommended Eminence. It never works out well for them. Even if the T/S specs turn out to be accurate, which is only occasionally, that's only half the response story. Above 200Hz you must see a measured chart, and IME that's where cheap drivers almost always fall short. That's because good mids requires tight manufacturing tolerances, and the lack of same is what makes inexpensive drivers inexpensive.

kringle77 · #5 08-19-2011, 10:38 AM

Good to know. I learn more on here everyday!

will33 · #6 08-19-2011, 10:57 AM

I used to have a carvin redline 410 years ago that ised those. No you're not gonna find charts. All I can tell you is they had a nice "punch" in the mids and and decent sound in the uppermids with the tweeter off. You got that in exchange for not having much depth in the lows. I was constantly reaching for a bass knob or cutting mids or stacking it with a bassier sounding cab. In all honesty at that time I really didn't know what I was doing, just adjusting stuff trying to get a sound. The 4 of them seemed to handle some bass boosting without getting too farty though. Specs have probably changed since then but if you favor punch instead of real depth you might like them. The cab was typical 410 size like everybody makes, maybe an inch or two deeper than some.

No hard info here I know but it's the best I can do.

kringle77 · #7 08-19-2011, 11:37 AM

I ordered a few sealed carvin 2x10's to match with my svt instead of hauling an 8x10. When they arrive, I'll post my impression. I've also got some eminence b810 drivers that I could put in them for comparison. I figured that having 2x10 drivers in there own sealed compartment would sound better than 4 in one compartment and since the internal space is larger than the svt cab I may get a better low end and less hump in the sound. We'll see.

will33 · #8 08-19-2011, 11:54 AM

Just going off memory as far as tone the b810's should have a little more going on in the highs although the carvins didn't sound "dark". Lows may be similair, who knows. Be interesting to hear your impressions. Technically having them divided up in separate compartments shouldn't make a difference in tone but it will make for a better braced box, which does make a difference.

kringle77 · #9 08-23-2011, 07:48 AM

I got the carvin r210 yesterday and will be sending it back today, unless I decide to put different speakers in it. Without the tweet on the cab is pretty bright, brighter than a B810 driver but doesn't have the tight low end of the B810. Just a weak sounding cab on it own but would sound good biamped over an actual woofer cab. I may load it with a pair of mod10-50 drivers and use it as a bright cab, but who knows. I'd say that the ampeg 210AV is a better cab all the way around. I'd really like to find a cab with the carvins form factor that rocks.