Clipping my power amp
Hey all! I've been running a Sansamp RPM with a Crown XLS1000 into a Bag End S15 for about a year now, and it's been a great sounding rig so far. Recently however, It's gotten to the point volume-wise at band practices that the Sansamp starts to overdrive the Crown a bit, so I have a few questions as to what you guys would recommend.
1. I'm currently running just one channel of the Crown at 8 ohms. Would bridging it be a possibility? It mentions bridging the the channels at 4 ohms in the manuel, but not at 8, so I'm not sure if that's an okay thing to do. I know that more speakers is almost always a better way to get more volume, but I can't really afford another Bag End right now, and would rather not have to carry two cabs to practice.
2. Are we just too loud? My drummer is a tad heavy handed, but it doesn't seem too excessive to me.
3. We practice at my drummers house in a room that's probably about 15' by 25'. Would anything as far as positioning in the room make a difference? I know it's a long shot, but heck, why not?
edit: just by the way, this is a power trio
Sounds like you might have some frequency clashing going on, as well as volume wars? Does the guitarist pump out a lot of lows? What is the guitarists rig?
Smashing away in a 15x25 room is a great way to go deaf. It's not lack of power making you too quiet, it's everything is too loud.
Start with elevating all your cabs to put them in the faces of their owners. That'll drop everything down and drummer should follow suit.
Are you sure you are not just overdriving the input on the Crown?
I'd go with #2!
Earplugs shouldn't be necessary for practice but most drummers in garage rock bands can't play that quietly while maintaining energy. Even if they can there's usually a guitard playing too loud and blaming the drummer. Stick with the earplugs.
So it sounds like the consensus is to just turn down a bit and try to force my him to play a bit quieter. Thanks guys!
I just checked the manual for your poweramp and the meter lights are output signal. So, no it does not sound like input clipping.
Yes, you should try bridging first. But don't expect a miracle and keep an ear on your cab as you might start to find it's max.
If bridging does't do the trick, you might want to start shopping for another S15 to pair up and star moving some more air.
Turning down is never an option. If the drummer is too loud, it is imperative that you continue to AMP UP, until he cant even hear his crash cymbals. You will only know you have enough power when the drummer starts asking you to turn down. :)
What MVE said. One side of the XLS1000 at 8 ohms is only putting out 215 watts. If you bridge it into 8 ohms it's 700.
Bridged into 4 ohms it's 1100.
Ugh. Next the guitar player will get a stack. Besides, even if the amp can't quite stress the cab as it is, bridging will only make it fractionally louder but greatly increase the chances of blowing it up. All to pulverise a 15x25 room.
I had the same problem, the solution!!
I had very similar problems with my Crown XLS 2500, and some witty folks here helped me out!
I think your issue is not that much due to ohm loads. I started the thread on the issue, and the conclusion was that one needs a "special" bridged mono cable, since the Crown XLS utilizes it (like the one that Ampeg SVT-4 uses). The regular speakon cables just don't work properly!
Here's what the Crown manual says:
"2. b. If using a SpeakonŽ connector, connect the positive terminal of the speaker to 1+ and the negative terminal to 2+.
Plug the connector into the Channel 1 output only"
So your speakon cable should have the following kind of wiring/construction:
-1+ 2+ on the amp end of the amp-cab1 cable and 1+ 1- on the cab end (bridged mono speakon-cable)
-1+ 1- on both ends of the cab1-cab2 cable (so if you're running two cabs, just a regular speakon cable!)
Please see the link, you'll get all the necessary information there. And if you like, just send me a PM, I'm glad to help you, if you need!!
I'm playing with really heavy handed drummers, and I'm finally glad to make their ears bleed! :D
If an amp's manual indicates that it can be bridged into a 4 Ohm load, it will be fine with 8 Ohms.
If you're trying to get more output, increase the mid-bass. It will definitely sound louder and you'll be able to decrease the low end a bit without sacrificing much of anything.
Seriously, I have never used a 1-15 that could "really" keep up with a rock band.
Like I said, try bridging first, but start saving for a twin brother for that S15.
That is really what you need.
At the other extreme, some of the pro's on here rock out live onstage without the need for earplugs.
If you're not playing screaming loud metal styles 1x15 puts out ample volume to deafen, why anyone would need more than that in a garage is simple excess. Been there with a Marshall stack, it took awhile but eventually he accepted the fact that his was too loud for what mine could do and we settled into a good mix. Still deafening.
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