Club Bergantino V4

[audiorep2]

2 IP112, one HT112, AER Amp One

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by audiorep2

2 IP112, one HT112, AER Amp One

Nice! Are you using the amp one to drive the IP112's?

[audiorep2]

I drive one IP and the HT from the Line Out. The other IP from the Sub Out.

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by audiorep2

I drive one IP and the HT from the Line Out. The other IP from the Sub Out.

Nice! I'll have to try that sometime!

[kringle77]

So, I wonder what JB is working on now. Probably something ceramic based but with light weight cabs. Genz is already doing it but, the bergs will probably sound better.

[Candybassed]

Anybody tried a berg with a Genz Benz Streamliner? Hearing mixed reviews. From sublime to too muddy?? I'm on the lookout for a Streamliner 900 to go with my HT112 and cope with future expansion.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Candybassed

Anybody tried a berg with a Genz Benz Streamliner? Hearing mixed reviews. From sublime to too muddy?? I'm on the lookout for a Streamliner 900 to go with my HT112 and cope with future expansion.

I found the Streamliner and the AE410 among the greatest combinations I've ever heard. Given that the Streamliner behaves more like an 'all tube amp' than any hybrid I've ever experienced, it seems to match best with cabs that are voiced a bit more vintage (i.e., tight low end, lots of mid presence, lots of upper midrange 'top of cone' response). That describes the AE410 and 210 very well. It does not describe the HD112 at all, and given my experience with the Streamliner and the HT112 ER (which has much in common down low and through the upper mids as the newer HD112), that combination would not work for me very well.

The HD410 or 210 would most likely be a better match, since again, that line (based on my experience with the HS line, which is quite similar from the reviews I've read), has the mid warmth and punch and controlled low end that the Streamlienr thrives on. Of course, the NV610..... whew

[Holdsg]

I have used my 'liner thru two Bergantino cabs and just dig the sound. My ears are not as advanced as Kjung's. HS210 is my workhorse and an AE212 if I need to move more air.

[Saluki]

My STM 900 through two Berg HD210s is awesome. Just IMO there.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Saluki

My STM 900 through two Berg HD210s is awesome. Just IMO there.

+1 NV610, HD410, HD210, AE210, AE410... fabulous!

Edit: And the older HS410's also!

[poptart]

Originally Posted by KJung

+1 NV610, HD410, HD210, AE210, AE410... fabulous!

Edit: And the older HS410's also!

+ 1

[rodneyat]

Originally Posted by KJung

+1 NV610, HD410, HD210, AE210, AE410... fabulous!

Edit: And the older HS410's also!

Yes indeed! My very first Berg experience was with an HS410 many years ago. I played through one at a local music store and fell in love with it. At the time, I did not have the cash to get one but it stuck in my mind for sure. Fast forward a few years later and my cab, at the time, was a 310 from another manufacturer. I was playing some gigs where I was just really pushing the limits of a 310 cab. So, I stopped by the Atlanta Bass Gallery to check out some 410s. Jim, the owner of the ABG, was busy when the phone rang and asked me if I could pick it up for him. Low and behold, it was Jim Bergantino! Anyway, we chatted for a while since I mentioned I was looking for a 410 cab. I ended up walking out of the store that day with an AE410. Absolutely loved that cab. Through the past few years it seems like I have owned at least one of every current release cabs. I later picked up a couple of AE210s. 2 AE112s, an AE212, an HD210, 2 HD112s and most recently an HD410. The HD410 is very reminiscent of the HS410 for me. Lots of punch like you would expect a 410 to have but still retaining some really good warm low end. If it were easier to move around, it would be my gigging cab more often. But, I end up using the HD112s more when I am out just because they are easier to move. Surprisingly enough, those 2 HD112s can really move a lot of air. In a live situation, I would venture to say the 2xHD112 is almost as loud as the HD410. Before the HD410 I had an Aguilar GS410 and the 2xHD112 was every bit as loud if not louder. Jim is a genius. He needs to stop releasing new products that I keep gassing for!!!!

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by rodneyat

Yes indeed! My very first Berg experience was with an HS410 many years ago. I played through one at a local music store and fell in love with it. At the time, I did not have the cash to get one but it stuck in my mind for sure. Fast forward a few years later and my cab, at the time, was a 310 from another manufacturer. I was playing some gigs where I was just really pushing the limits of a 310 cab. So, I stopped by the Atlanta Bass Gallery to check out some 410s. Jim, the owner of the ABG, was busy when the phone rang and asked me if I could pick it up for him. Low and behold, it was Jim Bergantino! Anyway, we chatted for a while since I mentioned I was looking for a 410 cab. I ended up walking out of the store that day with an AE410. Absolutely loved that cab. Through the past few years it seems like I have owned at least one of every current release cabs. I later picked up a couple of AE210s. 2 AE112s, an AE212, an HD210, 2 HD112s and most recently an HD410. The HD410 is very reminiscent of the HS410 for me. Lots of punch like you would expect a 410 to have but still retaining some really good warm low end. If it were easier to move around, it would be my gigging cab more often. But, I end up using the HD112s more when I am out just because they are easier to move. Surprisingly enough, those 2 HD112s can really move a lot of air. In a live situation, I would venture to say the 2xHD112 is almost as loud as the HD410. Before the HD410 I had an Aguilar GS410 and the 2xHD112 was every bit as loud if not louder. Jim is a genius. He needs to stop releasing new products that I keep gassing for!!!!

Thx Rodney. I am very tempted to score a pair of Bergie HD112's. I have an AE410 that I love, but I am finding that I really don't always need it, and I am tired of the physical size/shape schlep. a pair of HD112's weighs more, but the modular aspect is very attractive!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by rodneyat

Yes indeed! My very first Berg experience was with an HS410 many years ago. I played through one at a local music store and fell in love with it. At the time, I did not have the cash to get one but it stuck in my mind for sure. Fast forward a few years later and my cab, at the time, was a 310 from another manufacturer. I was playing some gigs where I was just really pushing the limits of a 310 cab. So, I stopped by the Atlanta Bass Gallery to check out some 410s. Jim, the owner of the ABG, was busy when the phone rang and asked me if I could pick it up for him. Low and behold, it was Jim Bergantino! Anyway, we chatted for a while since I mentioned I was looking for a 410 cab. I ended up walking out of the store that day with an AE410. Absolutely loved that cab. Through the past few years it seems like I have owned at least one of every current release cabs. I later picked up a couple of AE210s. 2 AE112s, an AE212, an HD210, 2 HD112s and most recently an HD410. The HD410 is very reminiscent of the HS410 for me. Lots of punch like you would expect a 410 to have but still retaining some really good warm low end. If it were easier to move around, it would be my gigging cab more often. But, I end up using the HD112s more when I am out just because they are easier to move. Surprisingly enough, those 2 HD112s can really move a lot of air. In a live situation, I would venture to say the 2xHD112 is almost as loud as the HD410. Before the HD410 I had an Aguilar GS410 and the 2xHD112 was every bit as loud if not louder. Jim is a genius. He needs to stop releasing new products that I keep gassing for!!!!

+1 And to clarify, that 'list' of 10" loaded Berg cabs was in response to 'what Berg cabs sound best with the Streamliner', and was an IME/IMO sort of thing with my experience with that head with most of those cabs (plus some other reviews).

For me, it is the AE212 all the way (although not with the Streamliner). Perfect combination of size/weight/wump and voicing to me!

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by KJung

+1 And to clarify, that 'list' of 10" loaded Berg cabs was in response to 'what Berg cabs sound best with the Streamliner', and was an IME/IMO sort of thing with my experience with that head with most of those cabs (plus some other reviews).

For me, it is the AE212 all the way (although not with the Streamliner). Perfect combination of size/weight/wump and voicing to me!

AE212 with the TH500 probably not good either since both are low end dominant. Correct?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

AE212 with the TH500 probably not good either since both are low end dominant. Correct?

To my ear, yes. I did a few gigs with that combination, and could never quite dial in the punch and the upper mid brightness I enjoy. I could do either, but not both. Much better with the AE410 to my ear.

The Glockenklang Blue Soul and the AE212 is something though. Still very polite in the upper mids, but glorious punch, BIG low end, and a very, very hi fi, crystal clear top end. Totally different thing, but very nice.

My Markbass F500 sits in the middle of those two amps.. more articulate and even then the Aguilar, but a bit more dirty and bright up top than the Glock.

[GRoberts]

So my question is: Dare I sell/trade my AE410 for a pair HD112's? Has anyone else done so? I like the form factor and the modularity of killer 112 cabs. Used to love my former Bergantino HT/EX 112 stack (BMS) But I always want it to be a bit fuller, deeper and bigger sounding. It was a killer rig, but rather 'focused' and directional.

I would love to get back to a pair of Bergie 112's. So ....Do I lose the AE410 in favor of a pair of HD112's? What do fellow Bergie owners think?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

So my question is: Dare I sell/trade my AE410 for a pair HD112's? Has anyone else done so? I like the form factor and the modularity of killer 112 cabs. Used to love my former Bergantino HT/EX 112 stack (BMS) But I always want it to be a bit fuller, deeper and bigger sounding. It was a killer rig, but rather 'focused' and directional.

I would love to get back to a pair of Bergie 112's. So ....Do I lose the AE410 in favor of a pair of HD112's? What do fellow Bergie owners think?

It will be a bit different for you, but I think you would dig it. The top end will be closer to the AE and older HS line of cabs, since Jim no longer uses that very pristine, hi fi tweeter that he used in the HT112 and 112ER line. However, you get the woofer and bigger box of the HT112ER, which puts out WAY more low end than the old HT112 mini stack. So, to oversimplify, it is kind of like the HT112ER down low, with the more 'traditional' relaxed tweeter voicing of the HS/AE cabs.

You won't lose anything in volume. You will gain some low end extension (similar to the AE212... actually moreso from what has been reported), and will swap out the very bright upper mid aggression of the AE410 with a bit smoother, more relaxed response up top, without the hi fi sizzle of the old tweeter and crossover from the HT's.

[rodl2005]

Originally Posted by Candybassed

Anybody tried a berg with a Genz Benz Streamliner? Hearing mixed reviews. From sublime to too muddy?? I'm on the lookout for a Streamliner 900 to go with my HT112 and cope with future expansion.

Well, I'm goin against the grain here, but this is my experience.
I've had a few different Berg cabs- NV's, AE's & HT of varying sizes.
I found the Streamliner just too boomy to be of use.
I must have "bassy fingers", but even thru the nice tight NV cabs I had to cut the bass to 8 o'clock. Then in a room with bad acoustics, where I need to cut the bottom end, I had nowhere left to go. It muddied up the whole band's sound.
Was better with the AE410, but the STL was an amp that just didn't work for me. I usually use all tube amps, have done since '76 but I didn't find it to behave, sound, feel etc, at all like any all tube amp.

Their Shuttle- another storey, works great for me & I never have a problem with getting enough lows outta it, as some do.

Obviously each to their own.
I get great results with the TH500 too.

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by rodl2005

Well, I'm goin against the grain here, but this is my experience.
I've had a few different Berg cabs- NV's, AE's & HT of varying sizes.
I found the Streamliner just too boomy to be of use.
I must have "bassy fingers", but even thru the nice tight NV cabs I had to cut the bass to 8 o'clock. Then in a room with bad acoustics, where I need to cut the bottom end, I had nowhere left to go. It muddied up the whole band's sound.
Was better with the AE410, but the STL was an amp that just didn't work for me. I usually use all tube amps, have done since '76 but I didn't find it to behave, sound, feel etc, at all like any all tube amp.

Their Shuttle- another storey, works great for me & I never have a problem with getting enough lows outta it, as some do.

Obviously each to their own.
I get great results with the TH500 too.

Hey Rodney. You like the TH500 with the pair of Bergie HD112's? Or do the HD112 Pair better with another amp?