Club Bergantino V4

[TussinBot.]

If i could come across all of them locally Id give them all a shot. there is a 610 local so I think Ill just pick it up to try it out, and if I dont like it, resell it. Im currently using a mesa diesel 115 (evm 15L speaker) which sounds awesome to me (tight bottom, lottttts of mids), but finding another one is proving tough, and I will be rehearsing with a new band in a week or two and need a bigger rig

[rodl2005]

Cool. Those Mesa EV 115's are beauties. Two would kill with yr V4.
A NV610 will too. Win win!

[TussinBot.]

two would kill! Im just having a hard time finding another with the ev speaker! I guess I could buy a cab with some replacement speaker and then buy an ev but thats a hassle. and at the end of the day id still like to try an nv610

[gkbass13]

Speaking to the often brought up "Yin Yang" approach to amps and cabs, I have to say that the Bergantino Ht line and the Aguilar DB750 is quite possibly the best example of this that I have played through. The pristine high end of the Bergs meshes amazingly with the fat/warm wooliness of the DB 750. In a major honeymoon period with this set up!

[Saluki]

Originally Posted by gkbass13

Speaking to the often brought up "Yin Yang" approach to amps and cabs, I have to say that the Bergantino Ht line and the Aguilar DB750 is quite possibly the best example of this that I have played through. The pristine high end of the Bergs meshes amazingly with the fat/warm wooliness of the DB 750. In a major honeymoon period with this set up!

Never owned a DB750, but I had a chance to play a DB750 through an HD210 at Chicago Bass Club and it was friggin awesome.

[gkbass13]

Originally Posted by Saluki

Never owned a DB750, but I had a chance to play a DB750 through an HD210 at Chicago Bass Club and it was friggin awesome.

Yeah man...After spending a couple hours in the Hartke Bass Lounge in NYC, playing through one and chatting it up with Larry Hartke, I was sold on this head. Love it! And it really makes a perfect match all around with my other gear choices (Fodera Emperor 5, Berg HT 1x12 ER and Berg HT 322). I'm pretty sure this honeymoon is going to last awhile!

Grady

[Scott McArron]

Originally Posted by Saluki

Never owned a DB750, but I had a chance to play a DB750 through an HD210 at Chicago Bass Club and it was friggin awesome.

+1 One my favorite tones I've ever heard!

[Jerry J]

Originally Posted by Scott McArron

+1 One my favorite tones I've ever heard!

One of the best, in fact the best live tones I've ever heard was an FBass BN5 into a db750 through a Bergantino HT115. I was walking up the street to see a friend's band and all I heard from a distance was the bass. It sounded better as I got closer. In the club it sounded phenomenal.

[GRoberts]

The Bergie AE410 sounds awesome with the Mesa M6 carbine, but the Orange Terror TB500H is absolutely superb with the cab!

[overbybr]

In with my IP310!

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[fudgegf]

Hi. I'm new here. Thanks for all of the knowledge you are sharing. I own an AE112B and love it. In an attempt to scale down my large Mesa rig I've been trying to locate an additional AE112B but as you know, there aren't any around. So I came across a used HD112 in excellent condition that I'm ready to pull the trigger on. I know it's about 15 lbs heavier than the AE but the form factor is the same. So before I do this has anyone used this combination? I have the option of using my Markbass SA450 (500w) or my Streamliner 900. Any thoughts on the above combinations would be greatly appreciated!

[Mark Reccord]

Originally Posted by fudgegf

Hi. I'm new here. Thanks for all of the knowledge you are sharing. I own an AE112B and love it. In an attempt to scale down my large Mesa rig I've been trying to locate an additional AE112B but as you know, there aren't any around. So I came across a used HD112 in excellent condition that I'm ready to pull the trigger on. I know it's about 15 lbs heavier than the AE but the form factor is the same. So before I do this has anyone used this combination? I have the option of using my Markbass SA450 (500w) or my Streamliner 900. Any thoughts on the above combinations would be greatly appreciated!

There are a pair of AE112s for sale in the TB classifieds right now. Just a heads up if you're looking for one, I have nothing to do with the sale or seller, just saw this post right after looking through the classifieds.

I just picked up an AE112 from TBer marTONEbass and I'm loving it with my MB500. I also have an early HT112 (chrome grille) which is nice but is categorically outclassed by the AE.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Mark Reccord

There are a pair of AE112s for sale in the TB classifieds right now. Just a heads up if you're looking for one, I have nothing to do with the sale or seller, just saw this post right after looking through the classifieds.

I just picked up an AE112 from TBer marTONEbass and I'm loving it with my MB500. I also have an early HT112 (chrome grille) which is nice but is categorically outclassed by the AE.

The 'B' series is quite different sounding (smoother up top which gives the impression of a bit deeper down low). Very few were made (along with the very nice AE210b revision).

+1 though for the OP, a 'non-B' AE112 would probably work fine to finish his stack, would 'match-up/couple' better than the quite different HD112, and would be nice and lightweight (and also give the OP a bit different tonality for using either one as a stand alone.

On a more general note, as a kind of 'high end cabinet fanatic', I enjoy trying lots of different stuff, including some of the more recent designs using mid drivers, high end PA subwoofer drivers, etc., etc. They all sound good, but man, my AE212 still sounds better to me than any of them. Jim has that rare combination of true, formal technical training in Audio Engineering, COMBINED with a unique 'ear' that results in his cabs having both good 'spec's on paper', but also SOUNDING good for amplifying a bass guitar. Really something, and while I like some of his cabs better than others, they are all 'top of the line' to my ear.

I'm currently driving the AE212 with the new Glockenklang Blue Soul, and I tell you what, it is (for a clean, transparent but not sterile tone) simply a hammer, and just stunning sounding to me (and others who have heard it).

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by KJung

The 'B' series is quite different sounding (smoother up top which gives the impression of a bit deeper down low). Very few were made (along with the very nice AE210b revision).

+1 though for the OP, a 'non-B' AE112 would probably work fine to finish his stack, would 'match-up/couple' better than the quite different HD112, and would be nice and lightweight (and also give the OP a bit different tonality for using either one as a stand alone.

On a more general note, as a kind of 'high end cabinet fanatic', I enjoy trying lots of different stuff, including some of the more recent designs using mid drivers, high end PA subwoofer drivers, etc., etc. They all sound good, but man, my AE212 still sounds better to me than any of them. Jim has that rare combination of true, formal technical training in Audio Engineering, COMBINED with a unique 'ear' that results in his cabs having both good 'spec's on paper', but also SOUNDING good for amplifying a bass guitar. Really something, and while I like some of his cabs better than others, they are all 'top of the line' to my ear.

I'm currently driving the AE212 with the new Glockenklang Blue Soul, and I tell you what, it is (for a clean, transparent but not sterile tone) simply a hammer, and just stunning sounding to me (and others who have heard it).

I would have considered an AE212 more, but I seemed to recall it being rather weighty on the low end and careful amp matching was perhaps even more critical with the AE212 than some other Bergs. Did I get that right? I realize you are huge proponent of proper amp/cab matching, so that is a given. Otherwise, the AE212 was and is a very compelling option if one can be found on the used market.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by GRoberts

I would have considered an AE212 more, but I seemed to recall it being rather weighty on the low end and careful amp matching was perhaps even more critical with the AE212 than some other Bergs. Did I get that right? I realize you are huge proponent of proper amp/cab matching, so that is a given. Otherwise, the AE212 was and is a very compelling option if one can be found on the used market.

No more than any other 'wide, relatively even cab'. If you have a head like, for example, the Streamliner, that is inherently mid polite, has a relaxed upper midrange with limited EQ to pump that up, and not an upper mid bump baked into the tone, you might have a bit of a problem with the AE212 or the older HT cabs, for example (if you wanted to really punch and grind, that is).

But, in general, most heads I've tried with the AE212 sound great. Once I got used to that 'real low end' versus the AE410, it was hard to go back again. However, I loved that massive, articulate mid response and the tight low end that allowed those mid mids and upper mids to really speak for quite a few years gigging my AE410. So, more 'different' than 'better or worse'.

With the F500, the Glock, the GK stuff, the LMII/III, the RH450, etc, etc., it sounds great to me, and the smaller size and 10 pounds less weight than the AE410 (making it very 'small cart friendly') is a bonus. Absolute volume output is about the same, although it is, again, more true bass, less mid mids, for better or worse, depending on your tone goals.

Edit: I'm also very impressed with the HD112/HD212 (I've only played the HD112, but assume the 212 would be 'more to like!). Kind of an averaging of the AE212 tone up top (less hi fi and sizzly than the HT112ER, with less of a dip in the upper mids... similar crossover and same tweeter as the AE212 I believe), and more low mid 'meat' and push down low of the HT112ER (same driver as the HT112ER, I believe). But, man, more than 25 pounds heavier... can't do it myself.

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by KJung

No more than any other 'wide, relatively even cab'. If you have a head like, for example, the Streamliner, that is inherently mid polite, has a relaxed upper midrange with limited EQ to pump that up, and not an upper mid bump baked into the tone, you might have a bit of a problem with the AE212 or the older HT cabs, for example (if you wanted to really punch and grind, that is).

But, in general, most heads I've tried with the AE212 sound great. Once I got used to that 'real low end' versus the AE410, it was hard to go back again. However, I loved that massive, articulate mid response and the tight low end that allowed those mid mids and upper mids to really speak for quite a few years gigging my AE410. So, more 'different' than 'better or worse'.

With the F500, the Glock, the GK stuff, the LMII/III, the RH450, etc, etc., it sounds great to me, and the smaller size and 10 pounds less weight than the AE410 (making it very 'small cart friendly') is a bonus. Absolute volume output is about the same, although it is, again, more true bass, less mid mids, for better or worse, depending on your tone goals.

Dang! Sounds rather ideal for what I want then. A One cab solution, lighter than a pair of Super 1x12 cabs. Smaller overall too probably. Easy to schlep. Hmmm.

[Holdsg]

KJung turned me onto the AE212 a while back, and it's been the go-to big cab for me. I pair mine with either a Streamliner 900 or MB LMTube 500, depending on my mood pre-gig. tonal bliss. now if it could help me play notes right, then I'd be in heaven.

[Mark Reccord]

Originally Posted by KJung

The 'B' series is quite different sounding (smoother up top which gives the impression of a bit deeper down low). Very few were made (along with the very nice AE210b revision).

+1 though for the OP, a 'non-B' AE112 would probably work fine to finish his stack, would 'match-up/couple' better than the quite different HD112, and would be nice and lightweight (and also give the OP a bit different tonality for using either one as a stand alone.

On a more general note, as a kind of 'high end cabinet fanatic', I enjoy trying lots of different stuff, including some of the more recent designs using mid drivers, high end PA subwoofer drivers, etc., etc. They all sound good, but man, my AE212 still sounds better to me than any of them. Jim has that rare combination of true, formal technical training in Audio Engineering, COMBINED with a unique 'ear' that results in his cabs having both good 'spec's on paper', but also SOUNDING good for amplifying a bass guitar. Really something, and while I like some of his cabs better than others, they are all 'top of the line' to my ear.

I'm currently driving the AE212 with the new Glockenklang Blue Soul, and I tell you what, it is (for a clean, transparent but not sterile tone) simply a hammer, and just stunning sounding to me (and others who have heard it).

How do I differentiate between the A and B versions of the AE112?

I've been tempted to get an AE212 on numerous occasions when they've popped up on the classifieds, but I think I've decided to do 2xAE112 instead for modularity's sake. Just gotta get rid of that HT112 before I look into the 2nd AE. I've also been tempted to sell my NV610 in favour of the AE212 as I haven't even turned my SVT on in a year (!) but I don't think I can actually part with either the cab or that amp.

[fudgegf]

Originally Posted by Mark Reccord

There are a pair of AE112s for sale in the TB classifieds right now. Just a heads up if you're looking for one, I have nothing to do with the sale or seller, just saw this post right after looking through the classifieds.

I just picked up an AE112 from TBer marTONEbass and I'm loving it with my MB500. I also have an early HT112 (chrome grille) which is nice but is categorically outclassed by the AE.

Well they say timing is everything, but unfortunately for me, it's usually bad timing! Didn't realize there was an AE112 for sale on TB, so I told Guitar Center to ship the HD112. But thanks for the tip anyway! On the bright side, I get a 30 trial so if I don't like the AE/HD match I could return it to my local GC (-the shipping of course).

A few months ago, I also asked Jim Bergantino what would match my AE112B and he basically said what KJung eluded to. An AE112A would be the closest match, but if I can't find one, adding the HD112 may give me a fuller sound. He suggested I bring my AE to a local store and try it with an HD, but unfortunately there are none in my area.

Anyway, based on everything I've read here, I'm hoping that the HD will provide a little more bottom, while the AE keeps giving me the punchy mids (love the way it cuts through the mix). My biggest concern is the difference in the efficencies. I'm thinking the AE may be louder, but I hoping it won't be too noticeable. Anyway, we'll see what happens. If it doesn't work out, I'll jump on one of the AE's on TB. If they're still available.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Mark Reccord

How do I differentiate between the A and B versions of the AE112?

I've been tempted to get an AE212 on numerous occasions when they've popped up on the classifieds, but I think I've decided to do 2xAE112 instead for modularity's sake. Just gotta get rid of that HT112 before I look into the 2nd AE. I've also been tempted to sell my NV610 in favour of the AE212 as I haven't even turned my SVT on in a year (!) but I don't think I can actually part with either the cab or that amp.

Since, unlike the AE210, the AE112 and AE112b look identical, the very few AE112b's that were produced have a 'b' on the back plate product description, as far as I remember.

The AE212 will sound, for lack of a better term, much more modern than the NV610. Not sure if it would be a good swap with that particular head, which was obviously voiced to be paired with a nice one way multi 10 cab. I would think you would miss the lower mids and upper mid grind of the NV610 versus the more even, extended range AE212.