Club Bergantino V4 - Page 36

rodl2005 · #**701** 01-04-2013, 10:14 PM

I'm all over freaking.
I thought I wasn't, but saw the TV version of David Lynch's "Blue Velvet" & I got abso-freakin-lutely fed up with it.

bucephylus · #**702** 01-04-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

HD112 is the current model. Same woofer and box (I think) as the HT112ER with a more organic, less upper treble top end. VERY nice box (different tweeter and crossover than the previous 112's.

Any of these would serve your needs quite well. The HD112 is a bit more 'old school' sounding up top, while the HT series is quite 'hi fi' up top as we use that term on TB.

Ken, the only thing I would have said differently is that the HD112 is maybe more balanced, but still pretty sizzly. It is a very nice cab. Old School, though, does not come to mind.

If you pair the HD112 with an AE212 and have capability to go below 4 ohms (eg: GB SM12), that is an absolutely awesome big sound combination.

kringle77 · #**703** 01-05-2013, 04:11 AM

Do Tell! You mean there is more than just one?

gkbass13 · #**704** 01-05-2013, 04:23 AM

Oh man.....new Berg goodness on the way?

craigb43 · #**705** 01-05-2013, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gkbass13

Oh man.....new Berg goodness on the way?

How and when can we find out ? Im going to NAMM but don't know if he will be there.

gkbass13 · #**706** 01-05-2013, 06:35 AM

I'm pretty sure Jim doesn't participate in NAMM. I'm sure we will start to get hints and info leaks prior to the introduction of any new line of cabs(amps?). Exciting stuff!

craigb43 · #**707** 01-05-2013, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gkbass13

I'm pretty sure Jim doesn't participate in NAMM. I'm sure we will start to get hints and info leaks prior to the introduction of any new line of cabs(amps?). Exciting stuff!

cant wait to see whats new , I have used his cabs only for years now .

KJung · #**708** 01-05-2013, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bucephylus

Ken, the only thing I would have said differently is that the HD112 is maybe more balanced, but still pretty sizzly. It is a very nice cab. Old School, though, does not come to mind.

My use of 'old school' makes me chuckle a bit, since I meant 'more of a traditional tweeter tone' versus the very hi fi upper treble extended HT circuit! Pretty funny. I guess that is like saying Bon Jovi is old school or something

KJung · #**709** 01-05-2013, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by gkbass13

I'm pretty sure Jim doesn't participate in NAMM. I'm sure we will start to get hints and info leaks prior to the introduction of any new line of cabs(amps?). Exciting stuff!

Jim does not bother with NAMM. For a smaller brand with decent distribution, not really worth the money. Roger Sadowsky doesn't do a booth any more either.

bucephylus · #**710** 01-05-2013, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

My use of 'old school' makes me chuckle a bit, since I meant 'more of a traditional tweeter tone' versus the very hi fi upper treble extended HT circuit! Pretty funny. I guess that is like saying Bon Jovi is old school or something

LOL. Perpective!

rmars · #**711** 01-05-2013, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

My use of 'old school' makes me chuckle a bit, since I meant 'more of a traditional tweeter tone' versus the very hi fi upper treble extended HT circuit! Pretty funny. I guess that is like saying Bon Jovi is old school or something

I kinda new what you mean't Ken. I think the HD112/212 sound a bit old school because (without taking the tweeter into consideration) it has such a roundness to the notes vs. say a modern sounding 10" cab that has punch and agressive sounding upper mid/treble. That's not to say the HD112/212 aren't punchy but it's in the low/low mid concussive kind a way!

Great cab for someone who likes a mixture of old school and new. Round low end but tighter and much more powerful than some old school 215's I've tried (compared to the HD212), nice thick, round mids and plenty of high's from that tweeter (which to me sounds great at set between 11-1 o'clock and I hate tweeters) without too much sizzle.

KJung · #**712** 01-05-2013, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rmars

I kinda new what you mean't Ken. I think the HD112/212 sound a bit old school because (without taking the tweeter into consideration) it has such a roundness to the notes vs. say a modern sounding 10" cab that has punch and agressive sounding upper mid/treble. That's not to say the HD112/212 aren't punchy but it's in the low/low mid concussive kind a way!

Great cab for someone who likes a mixture of old school and new. Round low end but tighter and much more powerful than some old school 215's I've tried (compared to the HD212), nice thick, round mids and plenty of high's from that tweeter which to me sounds great at set between 11-1 o'clock (and I hate tweeters) without too much sizzle.

+1 That was what I was trying to say

5StringPocket · #**713** 01-05-2013, 09:51 AM

I know it's generally not good practice to mix full range driver sizes but see how Scott McArrons experience with an HD210/HD112 stack confirmed you can trade a bit of roundness for a little extra punch. This particular stack also seemed to play very well together.

Scott McArron · #**714** 01-05-2013, 09:54 AM

+1 Loved it!!

Would still have it if I didn't move overseas.

KJung · #**715** 01-05-2013, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott McArron

+1 Loved it!!

Would still have it if I didn't move overseas.

That rig is kind of the update of the 's' stack, which I gigged for a while (basically the drivers of the HT322 in separate 112 and 210 boxes). That combination always sounded good, and I would think the added midrange presence and the touch less sizzly tweeter/crossover would make the HD stack even better!

bucephylus · #**716** 01-05-2013, 10:24 AM

You cats are beginning to sound like wine officiants LOL; but Bergs will do that to you!

gkbass13 · #**717** 01-05-2013, 10:26 AM

I did a similar thing with an AE2x10 and AE 1x12 for awhile. very cool little stack, but I just wound up preferring HT cabs.

tombowlus · #**718** 01-05-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rmars

I kinda new what you mean't Ken. I think the HD112/212 sound a bit old school because (without taking the tweeter into consideration) it has such a roundness to the notes vs. say a modern sounding 10" cab that has punch and agressive sounding upper mid/treble. That's not to say the HD112/212 aren't punchy but it's in the low/low mid concussive kind a way!

Great cab for someone who likes a mixture of old school and new. Round low end but tighter and much more powerful than some old school 215's I've tried (compared to the HD212), nice thick, round mids and plenty of high's from that tweeter (which to me sounds great at set between 11-1 o'clock and I hate tweeters) without too much sizzle.

+1 Well said! That fits my experience very closely.

thehess · #**719** 01-05-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 5StringPocket

I know it's generally not good practice to mix full range driver sizes but see how Scott McArrons experience with an HD210/HD112 stack confirmed you can trade a bit of roundness for a little extra punch. This particular stack also seemed to play very well together.

I'll second this, along with the flexibility of going 210 only or 112 only. I almost picked up a used HT322 (I think it's still at Bass Specialties in Philly), but the size/weight was outweighed by the versatility of the 210/112 combo. If I was in a regular gig, and could leave the 322 on the truck, I'd definately have gone there.

I've also mentioned here before that the HD112, with an Ag TH350 powering it, sounds great on my wife's electric cello. I'm stoked to hear it with a mic'd double bass...as I'm going there in 2013.

rodl2005 · #**720** 01-05-2013, 06:47 PM

Good to hear re the cello & TH350
I've a TH500 & AE112's & tho I thought the TH500/350 may be a bit funky for upright bass, I'll definately give it a go asap.