Combining 810 and 115 cabs

Wild Steve · #1 12-25-2010, 05:02 AM

I know this may sound a bit daft, but apart from the weight issue is there any reason not to hook up an 810 and 115 cab together? Would it be pointless or even not work?
Steve

Vakmere · #2 12-25-2010, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Wild Steve

I know this may sound a bit daft, but apart from the weight issue is there any reason not to hook up an 810 and 115 cab together? Would it be pointless or even not work?
Steve

LOL. Try it and find out. If both cabs put together are compatable with the ohm and power rating of your head then there you go. If you like what you hear then it was a good thing. Nothing is pointless until it becomes pointless...

Wild Steve · #3 12-25-2010, 06:33 AM

Thanks, yes might see if I can get it together and try - even if it sounded crap at least it'd look totally badass!
Steve

billfitzmaurice · #4 12-25-2010, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Wild Steve

Would it be pointless or even not work?
Steve

Pointless. A 1x15 can't even match the output of a 4x10.

dbase · #5 12-25-2010, 06:59 AM

Classickbass · #6 12-25-2010, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

Pointless. A 1x15 can't even match the output of a 4x10.

I don't know about that, Johnny from Staind is on this forum and he combined 810's and 18's and I don't hear anyone telling him that his rig is pointless. And it looks killer to boot.

lomo · #7 12-25-2010, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Classickbass

I don't know about that, Johnny from Staind is on this forum and he combined 810's and 18's and I don't hear anyone telling him that his rig is pointless. And it looks killer to boot.

It may look killer, but the 18 is not making anything clearer and is probably adding only mud.

billfitzmaurice · #8 12-25-2010, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Classickbass

I don't know about that, Johnny from Staind is on this forum and he combined 810's and 18's and I don't hear anyone telling him that his rig is pointless. And it looks killer to boot.

Oh, well, if what you care about is how your rig looks then by all means go for it.

David Wiener · #9 12-25-2010, 07:12 AM

Hi Steve-

If you have a two channel (stereo) amp with separate gain controls or two amps each with gain controls and can thereby adjust the gain for each cabinet, it would be great to add the 1x15. The 1x15 would act as a sub woofer. I would actually prefer to add a 1x18.

Hope this helps.

Best regards, Dave

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Originally Posted by Wild Steve

I know this may sound a bit daft, but apart from the weight issue is there any reason not to hook up an 810 and 115 cab together? Would it be pointless or even not work?
Steve

Classickbass · #10 12-25-2010, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

Oh, well, if what you care about is how your rig looks then by all means go for it.

Good Christmas morning to you, sir. If you look a little closer at my post you will be able to discern the words 'to boot' at the end. Of course it matters what the rig will sounds like. But it never hurts to have a killer looking rig. i.e., the reason there are so many 'Rigs of Doom' threads on this forum. I have both the 810 and 18 but cannot combine them as the ohms will not allow it so I cannot say for sure what it would sound like. But then again most of the people posting to this thread have never tried it either so they, like me, are just hypothesizing as well. Anyone here actually tried this combination of cabinets themselves?

Wild Steve · #11 12-25-2010, 07:26 AM

Thanks guys - I think and hope all the comments about looks have been tongue in cheek, of course that's no big deal - it's the sound that counts!

I'm looking at an EBS Fafner II, but have to admit I'm not 100% sure how this will all hook up. I'm actually a bit of a non-techie and do get bamboozled by ohms, wattages and multiple channels even!

Got a chance to get hold of a 115, 410 and 810 and partly wondering how they each combine, so a 410+115, 410 solo, 810+115 depending on the circumstances.

Thanks again all, and a deepest Merry Christmas,

Steve

lomo · #12 12-25-2010, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by David Wiener

Hi Steve-

If you have a two channel (stereo) amp with separate gain controls or two amps each with gain controls and can thereby adjust the gain for each cabinet, it would be great to add the 1x15. The 1x15 would act as a sub woofer. I would actually prefer to add a 1x18.

Sorry to be blunt, but no. What you would need to have this work even a little bit is a biamp crossed over setup with the lowest frequencies going only to the sub. It still doesn't make much sense, however. The sub will be completely overpowered (in terms of volume) by the 810 due to the massive discrepancy in cone area. Better to send it all to an 810 and call it a day.

billfitzmaurice · #13 12-25-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lomo

Sorry to be blunt, but no. What you would need to have this work even a little bit is a biamp crossed over setup with the lowest frequencies going only to the sub. It still doesn't make much sense, however. The sub will be completely overpowered (in terms of volume) by the 810 due to the massive discrepancy in cone area. Better to send it all to an 810 and call it a day.

More to the point, the average 1x15 not only doesn't go anywhere near as loud as the average 8x10, it also doesn't go any lower, so bi-amping makes no sense. If you're going to bi-amp with a 1x15 as the source for the lows an appropriate cab for the mids and highs isn't an 8x10, it's a 2x6. If you're going to get appreciably more lows than what an 8x10 can deliver it won't be from a 1x15, it will be from a pro-sound (not musical instrument) 2x18, like this:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SRX728S/

Wild Steve · #14 12-25-2010, 07:40 AM

Cool, thanks. Blunt is good!

Stgeve

smoov · #15 12-25-2010, 07:50 AM

! have used a bi amp set up over the years and currently have modified a BBE 383 using a 18" x 10". crossover point is 85hz..sounds devestating. If you want that warm loooow end...use a 18. 8x10's are good but there is NO 10" speaker that can reproduce anything lower than 40hz...(low B is 32hz) although a car sub could be used...lol. Now a cab can be tuned to go lower than the resonant freq of the driver but the mechanical abilities of the surround and spider will be beyond its limit...ie Xmax. I guess it's all personal pref...are you a bass player thats a slap - pop type player or the type that want to lay down the low foundation....always in search of the holy grail.

Wild Steve · #16 12-25-2010, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

More to the point, the average 1x15 not only doesn't go anywhere near as loud as the average 8x10, it also doesn't go any lower,http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SRX728S/

That's another of the things I'm unclear about. The 115 cab I've been looking at has a frequency response of 30-3 khz, while the 410 is 70-18 khz. Do the frequencies below 18 not mean anything? FWIW I have a 4 and 5 string Spector Euro.

Steve

Zooberwerx · #17 12-25-2010, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

More to the point, the average 1x15 not only doesn't go anywhere near as loud as the average 8x10, it also doesn't go any lower, so bi-amping makes no sense. If you're going to bi-amp with a 1x15 as the source for the lows an appropriate cab for the mids and highs isn't an 8x10, it's a 2x6. If you're going to get appreciably more lows than what an 8x10 can deliver it won't be from a 1x15, it will be from a pro-sound (not musical instrument) 2x18, like this:
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SRX728S/

...and if you're going to blow the bucks on something of this calibre, your needs would be better served by assigning it to your PA / FOH rig.

A decent 8 X 10 and well-voiced amp will be more than adequate for the task at hand....IME, IMO, YMMV, FWIW, FTR, AARP.

Riis

smoov · #18 12-25-2010, 08:12 AM

I find it hard to believe that a 10" will go to 18Khz.. most people cant hear past 12k. 5 string low b is 32hz and at loud levels will always trash a 10".

JimmyM · #19 12-25-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Classickbass

I don't know about that, Johnny from Staind is on this forum and he combined 810's and 18's and I don't hear anyone telling him that his rig is pointless. And it looks killer to boot.

johnny also has a rig with separate volume and tone controls for the 218's and the 810's so he can match volumes and get complimentary tones for each. that makes a lot more sense than running an 810 and a 115 into a single amp and using the same volume and tone controls for each.

billfitzmaurice · #20 12-25-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Wild Steve

That's another of the things I'm unclear about. The 115 cab I've been looking at has a frequency response of 30-3 khz, while the 410 is 70-18 khz. Do the frequencies below 18 not mean anything?

What doesn't mean anything are manufacturer specs not backed up with a measured SPL chart. I do agree that a low frequency limit of 70Hz from a 4x10 is unusually high. Most average about 60Hz, most 15s average about 45Hz, and that 15Hz difference is not enough to justify having both. Any 15, even pro-sound, is quite comfortable running to at least 400Hz, so if you have an fifteen and are using a top with it that is designed to go lower than 400 Hz then most of its size is excess baggage.