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06-01-2010, 08:46 AM
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I'm trying to find a way of configuring my amp and my bass for imitate the sound played by this band.
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FYI:
From what I hear, Djent is the style of music born from Meshuggah's industrial metal spinoff.
The main characteristic are the extremely low tunings, usualy hovering around Drop F, the very crispy, twangny distortion and the higher emphasis on syncopated rhythmes (Still 4/4, beleive it or not) with very simple leads on top.
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Listen to the song Traces, from 1:40 to 2:20. The bass does a very low, solid growl.
I'm trying to figure out how I can configure my stuff to emluate it. I have a Crate 220 amp and a custom 5 string Antoniotsai bass (With bass, tone, presence and volume knobs).
I figure, boost the low and low mid, cut the highs.
What do you guys think?
Last edited by Krowser : 06-01-2010 at 10:07 AM.
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06-01-2010, 11:15 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada | | | I feel that a Crate amp will be insufficient for dropped tunings and the tones you are describing.
Paul |
06-01-2010, 11:21 AM
| | | | What do you suggest I use? |
06-01-2010, 11:58 AM
| | | Well you could "contact mindy@vildhjarta.com" to find out about their bassists setup and go from there. |
06-01-2010, 12:06 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Bombay, India | | Yes and please let us know after that 
Great ****ing band..!! |
06-01-2010, 12:28 PM
|  | Less Ebay, more Mel Bay | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ | | | Every cabinet on the mainstream market is insufficient for low F tuning. Grossly so.
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06-01-2010, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by rpsands  Every cabinet on the mainstream market is insufficient for low F tuning. Grossly so. | Howcome? Not enough power? The speaker is too small? |
06-01-2010, 02:41 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Krowser What do you suggest I use? | I have no suggestion to give. In the last ten to fifteen years I've only played though my Acmes and they do what I need. Most commercially available bass speaker systems cut response at around 45 to 60Hz. You need to go much lower than that even to cleanly reproduce the first harmonic which is what you mostly hear.
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06-01-2010, 03:07 PM
| | Less Ebay, more Mel Bay | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Krowser Howcome? Not enough power? The speaker is too small? | Not enough excursion and not designed to handle even the first harmonic of F0 (43hz or so). Most bass cabs roll off starting at 70-80hz and are displacement limited far below their thermal limitations.
It's a combination of factors of Fs, cabinet volume, Xmax and other attributes of the speakers.
Most bass cabs are -6db by 50hz if not -10db, and displacement limited to around 50 watts per 10" driver and maybe 75-125 watts per 12" driver, and 150 or so per 15" driver. Just a ballpark general figure there.
The fEarful 15/6 is about what I'd recommend for you. You are talking a borderline case of fEarB (the lower tuned model), but the fEarful 15/6 is about -4db @ 43hz, so it might be close enough if you take it easy on the sub bass (below 40hz).
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06-01-2010, 04:44 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dallas, TX | | | You should try to create your own sound. It's tricky business when young players attempt to emulate their favorite players tones, and usually ends in failure. There are just too many other factors involved. But for a good start, save up your money and buy a bigger, better bass rig. Might not get the tone you think you want, but it'll go a long way in getting "your tone".
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06-01-2010, 05:09 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bristol, UK | | | Check the bass sound in Caricatures on my sig, low growl, can't check your link as its late here, would be rude. That was recorded with a Sansamp DI, and 2 mics on an Aguilar GS412 and a Laney nexus valve head. Sasnamp into a high powered amp does pretty similar, I ran pretty much all the knobs at 12, bit of bass boost, BC rick mockingbird with 1/4lbers, custom strings and low A tuning.
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06-02-2010, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie You should try to create your own sound. It's tricky business when young players attempt to emulate their favorite players tones, and usually ends in failure. There are just too many other factors involved. But for a good start, save up your money and buy a bigger, better bass rig. Might not get the tone you think you want, but it'll go a long way in getting "your tone". | It's more for curiosity's sake. I usualy stick to drop D or drop C and I have my own setup but I wanted to know how they did it to play a cover.
Anyway, this is the answer I got:
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Those are just pre-production clips. But the key is to _turn the knob that says drive counterclockwise_. Seriously though, most bass parts have been recorded with random basses through a Pod XT Live. On the album we’ll record through a custom bass and an Ampeg SVT-PRO.
Kind regards,
Robert Luciani
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