Couple of questions about Mesa

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by georgestrings

Now you're goal post moving...


- georgestrings

Hows this:

If you took an integration of the frequency response from say 35hz - 20kHz of both a 15/6/1 and a PH610, I would bet the area under the fEARful's curve would be greater than that of a 610.

[georgestrings]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Hows this:

If you took an integration of the frequency response from say 35hz - 20kHz of both a 15/6/1 and a PH610, I would bet the area under the fEARful's curve would be greater than that of a 610.

Hey, your statement was:


Originally Posted by CL400Peavey
I think a M9 paired with a fEARful 15/6 would be a killer light weight rig, stand up to a 610 in volume,


After having gigged a PH610 in a loud 2 guitar modern rock/metal band, I have my doubts that ANY single 15 loaded cab could "stand up to it in volume" - no matter how miraculous a box it is... Until I see/hear it in the real world, all the "on paper" claims don't mean squat to me, to be honest...


- georgestrings

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by georgestrings

Hey, your statement was:


Originally Posted by CL400Peavey
I think a M9 paired with a fEARful 15/6 would be a killer light weight rig, stand up to a 610 in volume,


After having gigged a PH610 in a loud 2 guitar modern rock/metal band, I have my doubts that ANY single 15 loaded cab could "stand up to it in volume" - no matter how miraculous a box it is... Until I see/hear it in the real world, all the "on paper" claims don't mean squat to me, to be honest...


- georgestrings

Thats fair enough. Where you located George? There could be a fEARful close enough for you to try.

[georgestrings]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Thats fair enough. Where you located George? There could be a fEARful close enough for you to try.

I'm in Syracuse, NY - IIRC, TBer Burningskies has a 15/6 + 15sub stack, and he's offered to let me check it out sometime...


- georgestrings

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by georgestrings

I'm in Syracuse, NY - IIRC, TBer Burningskies has a 15/6 + 15sub stack, and he's offered to let me check it out sometime...


- georgestrings

That would be a perfect rig to compare your 810 to.

[Chef]

Gentlemen; let me remind you where this thread started:
" I've used 8 and 15 inch speakers in the past but have no experience with the 12 inch speakers Mesa has and am wondering how a pair of their 1x12s will perform?"

Can we make an effort to stay on topic please and thanks?

[_somedude]

I'm not really interested in anything that's being shilled on the internet. I didn't have an opinion of fearful before today but rest assured my opinion is now negative.

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by _somedude

I've read that the M9 pretty much explodes through the cabs. That sounds pretty appealing but I was wondering if it'd be too clean for my purposes? I also want to be able to get gigs with some classic rock style bar bands since they typically get more business.

About the M6 vs M9... How good is the compressor on it and is it worth having? I'll admit that a big part of the reason I'm looking at the M9 is because it seems to eliminate the need for outboard gear (unless I want dirt).

The M6 and M9 can actually get quite overdriven. People are just afraid to turn the gain all the way up for some reason.

[Chef]

I never pushed my M6 hard enough to get it overdriven, and I don't with the M9 either, so, I can't speak to that.

I can say the comp on the M9 is nice and doesn't it's thing pretty transparently; it's not overtly squishy.

[makohund]

Originally Posted by _somedude

Also, I need some suggestions on what cabs to match with it. I'd like something semi portable...enough to use as a monitor, but I also need to be able to scale up as many of the venues around town are small rooms that have minimal PA systems that don't carry much more than vocals.

For that I'd recommend a pair of super 12" cabs. Basically get SPL like a 2x12 in a cab only slightly bigger than a 1x12. One will do many jobs with an easy schlep, two will take on pretty much anything including carrying a room sans PA. There are a number of options there... Barefaced, AudioKinesis, Baer, and... you know. An M9 through these things = wow.

If you want a Mesa only stack, you're out of luck there, they don't make one. In that case, get a pair of 2x12s. They'll look fantastic, though will take up a lot more space and weigh about twice as much.

Originally Posted by _somedude

I notice everyone is recommending cabs with 12" speakers. I remember the 8x10 being the gold standard with the 6x10 and 4x10 being close behind it.

Has something changed over the last 5 or 6 years?

You asked about a 1x12, but yes... bending of the "light, loud, low" rules. There is at least one 10" driver that can do it now too, but is the same cost for less output compared to 12 & 15 inch versions

Bass Gear Mag has a good article discussing just that in regards to the TC112.

Starts on page 60: http://btpub.boyd-printing.com/iphon...r=&noframe=&r=

[georgestrings]

Originally Posted by _somedude

I'm not really interested in anything that's being shilled on the internet. I didn't have an opinion of fearful before today but rest assured my opinion is now negative.

I wouldn't form a negative opinion on them so quickly if I were you - they really are an advancement in bass cabs, and certainly worth looking into... They do have a following that's extremely enthusiastic, that sometimes gets a bit carried away - but I wouldn't let that turn me away from something that might potentially be perfect for me, without all due consideration...

I hope you find what you're looking for, bud - I haven't played Mesa's 212s, but have played their PH412, and it's a great cab...


- georgestrings

[baileyboy]

I use a Walkabout with 212 Radiator Scouts for all gigs, even small ones. I don't want to worry about never having enough juice.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by georgestrings

but have played their PH412, and it's a great cab...

+1

The Mesa cabs are some of the best commercially available. You just have to understand that they are not light cabs. Every cab design is a balance of considerations. Mesa compromised on weight, but that is to keep their other design goals intact.

[Chef]

Just to be clear, Mesa don't make a 212 Radiator; I'm sure you meant 2x112 Radiator cabs.......


True enough tat some Mesa cabs are heavy as stones!
The Scout cabs aren't that bad. The PH112's cabs I had weren't bad.
The Diesel 115's I had: other story.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by Chef

True enough tat some Mesa cabs are heavy as stones!
The Scout cabs aren't that bad. The PH112's cabs I had weren't bad.
The Diesel 115's I had: other story.

But they dont give up anything tonally, where IMHO some other commercial manufacturers do in pursuit of a very small lightweight cab.

[_somedude]

Originally Posted by georgestrings

I wouldn't form a negative opinion on them so quickly if I were you - they really are an advancement in bass cabs, and certainly worth looking into... They do have a following that's extremely enthusiastic, that sometimes gets a bit carried away - but I wouldn't let that turn me away from something that might potentially be perfect for me, without all due consideration...

I hope you find what you're looking for, bud - I haven't played Mesa's 212s, but have played their PH412, and it's a great cab...


- georgestrings

I'm actually pretty indifferent... Just trying to make a point that shilling can do as much harm as good. One of the mods already cleared out some Fearful stuff that was in the first reply in this thread in an effort to keep things on track. If this guy really wants to support this company it might be more helpful to be less irritating about it. If the products are really that good I'll learn about them in due course.

[_somedude]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

+1

The Mesa cabs are some of the best commercially available. You just have to understand that they are not light cabs. Every cab design is a balance of considerations. Mesa compromised on weight, but that is to keep their other design goals intact.

If their 2x12 weighs less than a Recto 4x12 then I'm ahead of the game. I mostly don't want to be moving a fridge around all the time.

I'm leaning towards using a single 2x12 to start and making a judgement call on whether I'll get a single 12 or another 2x12 once I get some experience with it in different rooms.

FWIW - I'm not totally bent on getting a Mesa stack... Just seems like a good starting point and is one of the better brand names available somewhat locally. I also have a lot of experience with their guitar heads/cabs and thus a trust for their products.

[Caca de Kick]

My PH212 weights about 78 lbs. It feels light when I lift it, doesn't seem that heavy.
But my PH810 weighs 173 lbs. I can't lift it alone.

[makohund]

Originally Posted by _somedude

I'm actually pretty indifferent... Just trying to make a point that shilling can do as much harm as good.

Point taken, and generally agreed with. Though I'd hesitate to call happy users shills just for responding to query that matches their cab's strong points quite well. (Reserving it for those being compensated for their efforts in some fashion.)

If this guy really wants to support this company

If it makes a difference, it isn't a company, it's a free design for DIY. Though the designer does now operate a small franchise of independent "authorized builders" for all of his designs. (So they are available commercially if one prefers that route.)

If the products are really that good I'll learn about them in due course.

Fair enough.

Seriously, though... if like you say, you want serious firepower in a portable package that scales from "monitor" to "handle rooms with no PA", I would go right to a pair of super 12 cabs of some flavor. I don't have one (mine is a dual super-12) but may be adding one so I can scale down (or up to ridiculous) like that.

Yes, an M9 through them sounds glorious. (Don't actually own a Carbine, but I've heard it and it's damn tempting.) I drool over D180s at times, and would love to hear that too. 180W may sound a bit weak on paper, but... I bet it'd be fine.

[_somedude]

Originally Posted by makohund

Seriously, though... if like you say, you want serious firepower in a portable package that scales from "monitor" to "handle rooms with no PA", I would go right to a pair of super 12 cabs of some flavor.

I'll give it some thought. I'm not going to be buying anything by this weekend so I'll have some time to lurk and read up. Just felt the need to ask a few questions to make sure I'm pointed in the right direction.