Damaged speaker in Aguilar cab.

Gormsgade · #1 06-24-2011, 04:43 AM

Hi guys
Just out of curiosity if others have experienced this.

I recieved a 2nd. hand GS212 yesterday, shipped 300 miles
with UPS and upon first note played through it, it became
clear that on of the speakers were damaged. Contact between membrane and driver causing a pemanent distortion.
The cab is in near mint condition, seller seems very thrustworthy but haven't used the cab since moving from one city to the other and didn't test it prior to shipment, so not shure when and how it happend.
All ready made a deal with him so no need to make a fuzz, but have I just been the unlucky 1 out of a 1xxxxxxxxx here, or does these Eminence speakers have too short a coil comparred to Xmax travel of the membrane?

Regards
Thomas

DGbass70 · #2 06-24-2011, 05:12 AM

I had a similar experience with a GS212.....
The seller had just test it before shipping and when i received it i did a test and realize 1 of the speakers was bad.This cab was mint so it seems that the problem was that while it was being shipped something shifted on that speaker (probably from the way fedex handled it) so it sounded like it was blown.I guess it's something fixable but almost as expensive as a re-cone job.However the seller was great and took care of everything.And it worked like a charm until i sold it a month ago and the guy who bought it loves it so far.

Gormsgade · #3 06-24-2011, 06:09 AM

interesting!
So our adwise to others would be to prevent the membranes from moving during shipment say by inserting foam pads between membrane and speaker grill. Not sure all sellers would be willing to take the responsibility for such, so special careful handling during shipment should be choosen and payed for if possible.
By the way, Aguilar replied within 30 minuttes after writing them for purchase of replacement speaker. Excellent customer support i my opinion.

billfitzmaurice · #4 06-24-2011, 06:15 AM

What you describe sounds like a broken magnet. That occurs when the cabinet/package is dropped. The only prevention is using at least a full inch of styrofoam packing material between the cab and the external cardboard wrapping. Shippers are aware of this, it's a requirement for their insurance coverage.

Mr. Foxen · #5 06-24-2011, 06:31 AM

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Eminence recommends the Delta 12LFA 12" bass speaker as a replacement in the Aguilar GS 112, Accugroove Tri112SL, and Behringer Eurolive B212 cabinets, and the Ashdown Electric Blue 12 combo amp

Guess the 212 is same deal.

billfitzmaurice · #6 06-24-2011, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Foxen

Guess the 212 is same deal.

I can't imagine recommending the Delta 12LF for an application with no midrange driver, or using it for same. Not that many haven't, I just can't imagine why they would.

Gormsgade · #7 06-24-2011, 06:54 AM

Despite the larger power handling, the mentioned Delta 12LFA doesn't seem to have the same rigid 8 spoke basket construction that I noticed when removing the damaged speaker from the cab yesterday. Actually scanned through the local Eminence agents online catalogue and couldn't visual identify a similar model.
Anyway, based on your inputs lessions learned, a new speaker is on the way from the nice guys at Aguilar and within a short period I'll enjoy having it back up working as
supplement to my second all ready working GS 212.

Take care out there
Thomas

billfitzmaurice · #8 06-24-2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gormsgade

Despite the larger power handling, the mentioned Delta 12LFA doesn't seem to have the same rigid 8 spoke basket construction that I noticed when removing the damaged speaker from the cab yesterday.

Power handling is the least important driver spec. AFAIK the Aggie driver is an OEM variation of the Gamma Pro, which is long out of production as a retail item but still produced for OEM. The Delta Pro will be close.

Mr. Foxen · #9 06-24-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

I can't imagine recommending the Delta 12LF for an application with no midrange driver, or using it for same. Not that many haven't, I just can't imagine why they would.

The Aguilar GS series are pretty dark cabs with the tweeter off, some people dig that, saves some eqing. Also nice for taking the nasty edge off fuzz.

Gormsgade · #10 06-24-2011, 07:30 AM

So what you're saying is that I in reality would have been perhaps even better of buying a Delta model from the local shop down the corner and saved the quite substantial courier fee shipping from the US to central Europe.
Well it's never too late to learn

JTUK · #11 06-24-2011, 07:20 PM

I don't know it he meant that...but use the bespoke speaker and be thankful you have a current model available from Aguillar.

There are PLENTY of cabs whose speaker you can break and then have to dance through hoops trying to get close...
Most makers will not let on what they use...but I doubt it is just for a few extra $'s more in case one breaks. I understand shipping an Ag 12" to Europe will cost about 150 eu but that is shipping and taxes for a foreign speaker.

Use the speaker the cab was designed for..to save yourself alot of potential trouble..at least it is available and you have the choice. IMO

froghat · #12 06-24-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JTUK

Use the speaker the cab was designed for..to save yourself alot of potential trouble..at least it is available and you have the choice. IMO

Agree; if this was a GS112, then it might make sense to improvise, but having two speakers with different Thiele parameters in the same cab doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Gormsgade · #13 06-25-2011, 02:21 AM

Hi Guys
Couldn't agree more with you.
If it was a single speaker cabinet or a DIY, "upgrading" could be worth considering but in this case I simply do not wants to start messing with the originality of the cab. Know how upset I'd be if I opened a cab to find two different units in it.
I've made a fair deal with the seller that he pays for the speaker and we split the shipping. With that arrangement we can both move on and get the episode behind us in a hurry.
And secondly, try finding an 16 ohm version within the same time it will take to get the one from Aguilar.

Enjoy your weekends
Thomas

vin*tone · #14 06-25-2011, 03:17 AM

Yes it's happened to me too with a DB112. The box was dropped and the inner bit was rubbing against the coil. It was just a pile of distortion.

gillento · #15 06-25-2011, 03:23 AM

The DeltaLite 2512II is a serious UPRGADE/IMPROVEMENT for the GS112. It is a mod that has been discussed extensively here on TB. P preferred my GS112 this way.

But I wouldn't use 2 different speakers in a 212 cab.
My best guess would be a new OEM speaker by Aguilar.

btw, I am big Aguilar 12" fan. Had the GS112, GS212, db112 and still gigging the db212 and I got two SL112 last week...

gillento · #16 06-25-2011, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JTUK

I don't know it he meant that...but use the bespoke speaker and be thankful you have a current model available from Aguillar.

There are PLENTY of cabs whose speaker you can break and then have to dance through hoops trying to get close...
Most makers will not let on what they use...but I doubt it is just for a few extra $'s more in case one breaks. I understand shipping an Ag 12" to Europe will cost about 150 eu but that is shipping and taxes for a foreign speaker.

Use the speaker the cab was designed for..to save yourself alot of potential trouble..at least it is available and you have the choice. IMO

Hi James,

I hope the one I sold you is still OK.

baskruit · #17 07-13-2011, 09:01 AM

What's this with Aguilar cabs? Same thing happened to me recently. Ordered a brand new GS112 and it arrived crooked. All that comes out of it is fuzz. Haven't bothered looking into what's exactly damaged but after waiting for over two months for a replacement cab, I just asked for a refund (still in the process of having it collected and getting my money back).

I REALLY want a GS112 to pair it with an MB LMII but my patience is being tested to be honest.