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05-21-2010, 02:44 PM
|  | Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race. | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Greenfield, WI. | | | David Nordschow DNS-112N and TC Electronics RH450/210 Combo
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Well I've taken the plunge and pre-ordered a DNS-112N from David Nordschow Amplification through Bass Central. With all the research I've done here on the TC Electronics RH450 I'm think I'm going to get the 450/210 combo and run it with that powerful little 112 cab. Fingers crossed, I think it's going to be a killer mini rig.
I had an Eden 800C and two D112XLTs. I play a toaster equipped Ric 4003 and an American Standard Jazz Bass with a heavy pick. I'm hoping this new rig handles my current band's setlist.
We'll see. 
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05-21-2010, 02:49 PM
|  | Less Ebay, more Mel Bay | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ | | How much is the 112N setting you back? Looks like a 3012HO to me 
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05-21-2010, 02:53 PM
| | Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race. | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Greenfield, WI. | | Quote:
Originally Posted by rpsands  How much is the 112N setting you back? Looks like a 3012HO to me | They're 669.00 plus shipping. $20 more than the D112XLTs. I got a break on the shipping because of the pre order. Shoould see it around July 4th according to Lane.
Bass Central has already pre-sold a few DNS-112Ns and DNS-410S
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05-21-2010, 02:57 PM
| | Less Ebay, more Mel Bay | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ | | Holy crap That's a lot of duckets for something you could get built custom for half that, with around the same wait.
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05-21-2010, 02:57 PM
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05-21-2010, 03:05 PM
| | Less Ebay, more Mel Bay | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ | | Quote:
Originally Posted by svtb15 is it possible to get 106dB @2.83V/1M 1M 37Hz-14KHz from a 410 box? and max SPL 140dB @ 1M | At 1khz, probably pretty close if you don't run any low end to hit displacement limits, although I don't know if power compression would prevent that or not as you push close to and past thermal limits.
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05-21-2010, 03:26 PM
| | Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race. | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Greenfield, WI. | | Quote:
Originally Posted by rpsands Holy crap That's a lot of duckets for something you could get built custom for half that, with around the same wait. | True, but it's more than just a box. Watch the videos. Theres a lot to the woofer construction and port design. We'll see : )
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05-21-2010, 03:36 PM
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Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design | | Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Hampshire | | Quote:
Originally Posted by svtb15 is it possible to get 106dB @2.83V/1M 1M 37Hz-14KHz from a 410 box? and max SPL 140dB @ 1M | No. Unequivocally No. |
05-21-2010, 03:38 PM
| | | I made it through 10 seconds of that video until I figured out it was Lane Baldwin speaking. God help us.
I'm sure the cabs sound fine.... basic ported, decent driver two way design, and even though the price is high, it is about the same price as Epi, Berg. Of course, I would buy the Berg, but that's me 
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05-21-2010, 03:44 PM
| | Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race. | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Greenfield, WI. | | | Kjung, you helped convince me to go with TC.
Lane and Eden have always treated me well. So let's agree to disagree.
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05-21-2010, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ustabawannab Kjung, you helped convince me to go with TC.
Lane and Eden have always treated me well. So let's agree to disagree. | +1 My post was probably a little harsh. I'm sure the cabs will be decent. |
05-21-2010, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rpsands Holy crap That's a lot of duckets for something you could get built custom for half that, with around the same wait. | Not exactly, though. It looks as though the port design and speaker are proprietary (not sure how much better they are, but proprietary nonetheless).
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05-21-2010, 04:15 PM
| | Less Ebay, more Mel Bay | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ | | Proprietary port design my foot. Seriously. Porting is not rocket science You put enough surface area and you measure the length and calculate.
If anything it's tuned a little high. 53hz is a bit on the high side for a 3012HO for bass guitar IMHO -- makes your distance to bottoming out from the E fundamental a bit too low.
Also, I would double check and make sure that port is 5" and not 4". It looks like it's 4" to me, in which case you're about 8 in^2 shy of the amount you need to allow a 3012HO driver to be pushed to max excursion for a 4 string without chuffing. If it's 5" you're just about right.
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05-21-2010, 04:30 PM
| | Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race. | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Greenfield, WI. | | Quote:
Originally Posted by rpsands Proprietary port design my foot. Seriously. Porting is not rocket science You put enough surface area and you measure the length and calculate.
. | The dimpled surfacing on the venturi port, 3 inch voice coils and stuff could all be snake oil on the DNS-112N. The videos showing the different players reaction to the 112 cabinet could be infomercial bad acting.
Bottom line, Nordschow designed a cabinet back in the 90's (D410XLT) that is revered as a game changer like the SVT-810 and the Sunn Coliseum. I'm gonna give his 112 a shot. If it sucks you folks have the right to say I told you so. Until then I gotta try because, so far the compromises that every one has to make in their cabinets one way or another to keep the cost reasonable has kept me searching. I want small, light and in-your-face. I think the thinner tens of the smaller TC Combo cabinet will compliment the boom of the DNS-112N
This looks like it might work.
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05-21-2010, 04:32 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: an ignore list near you | | Quote:
Originally Posted by rpsands Proprietary port design my foot. Seriously. Porting is not rocket science You put enough surface area and you measure the length and calculate. | I believe he said the port itself was patented. Considering that Eden made their own drivers, I'd assume that's the case here, as well. I'm not saying it's better, just that it can't be built at home for less.
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05-21-2010, 04:39 PM
| | Less Ebay, more Mel Bay | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ | | The specs, cabinet designs, and so forth and look are exactly like the Eminence Kappalite series so I would be pretty shocked if it was something else. It's possible I guess but doubtful.
The port stuff sounds like snake oil to me. Greenboy or Bill will hopefully chime in. There's no reason you need to make the port faster with complicated shenanigans when you can just make the port big enough to begin with.
See this for an example: http://barefacedbass.com/index.php?page=midget
He's got somewhere in the neighborhood of 18 and 20 in^2 port area there vs. the 12.5in^2 of port area on the DNS version.
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05-21-2010, 05:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: an ignore list near you | | | Ok.
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05-21-2010, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ustabawannab The dimpled surfacing on the venturi port, 3 inch voice coils and stuff could all be snake oil on the DNS-112N. . | None of it is snake oil. But none of it is the least bit new or proprietary either. OTOH Nordschow has long had a reputation for claiming frequency response, sensitivity and output that is not achievable, with any drivers from any source. Unfortunately he seems to have not kicked that habit. |
05-21-2010, 05:50 PM
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Congrats on the pre-order! I myself actually did the first pre-order for the DNS410 from Bass Northwest. Quite excited!
Lane & Eden treated me very well in the past, and I'm excited to watch David's new company grow. Personally, I love David's designs and was more than happy to place that first order for a DNA cab.
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05-21-2010, 07:06 PM
| | Caesar's palace, morning glory, silly human race. | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Greenfield, WI. | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Davethebassguy Congrats on the pre-order! I myself actually did the first pre-order for the DNS410 from Bass Northwest. Quite excited! |
You're the one, eh.
Me too!
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