Deep Bass Micro Rig

[CapnSev]

I want to see if anybody out there is using a "micro" type rig, and getting some nice, clean, deep bass out of it, or if that's even possible.

I'm contemplating putting together a micro rig that has a really clean, articulate response from top to bottom, but with a really big bottom. I'm a real fan of all the small, portable stuff that's come out lately, and I want to keep it portable.

What I was thinking is picking up a couple of Acme B1s, and pairing them with my LMII.

So if any of you guys that like the deep bass out there are using a small rig, I want to see what you've got, and what you think of it.

[chiplexic]

The widest micro head I've heard would be the GK MB-500. I feel that with it's (sort of) 2 channel type eq, where you have to push a button to get to the overdrive/boost channel, it allows you to stay loud,wide and clean on the main channel. Channel probably isn't the best word for it but you get the point.
The eq is very effective and lows are huge! Also a powerful amp for it's rating.

[Munjibunga]

When I pull out the bass boost on my WTX-500, it has plenty of bottom. Maybe not as tight as some, though.

[lomo]

Cab suggestion: fEarful type 15-6. My LDS version is under 50 lbs and has great low end extension-at a much lighter weight and bulk than 2 Acme boxes.

[CapnSev]

Originally Posted by lomo

Cab suggestion: fEarful type 15-6. My LDS version is under 50 lbs and has great low end extension-at a much lighter weight and bulk than 2 Acme boxes.

It had crossed my mind, but I'm still called to on to slap sometimes and I need that tweeter in there.

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by CapnSev

It had crossed my mind, but I'm still called to on to slap sometimes and I need that tweeter in there.

You know, you can get the 15/6 as a 15/6/1, and really the 6" puts out enough signal for slap anyway...

I wouldn't consider it a micro cab though. Its sizable, even though it's light. Taller than most 4x10 sized boxes but well worth it.

[CapnSev]

Originally Posted by BurningSkies

You know, you can get the 15/6 as a 15/6/1, and really the 6" puts out enough signal for slap anyway...

I wouldn't consider it a micro cab though. Its sizable, even though it's light. Taller than most 4x10 sized boxes but well worth it.

Wow, they're that big huh?

If I went that route , I'd definitely want the tweeter addition. I'm already playing flats, and I'm afraid that the 6" driver would be a stretch to get a crisp slap sound out of.

[lullbass]

Originally Posted by CapnSev

I want to see if anybody out there is using a "micro" type rig, and getting some nice, clean, deep bass out of it, or if that's even possible.

I'm contemplating putting together a micro rig that has a really clean, articulate response from top to bottom, but with a really big bottom. I'm a real fan of all the small, portable stuff that's come out lately, and I want to keep it portable.

What I was thinking is picking up a couple of Acme B1s, and pairing them with my LMII.

So if any of you guys that like the deep bass out there are using a small rig, I want to see what you've got, and what you think of it.

I use a Genz Shuttle 9.0 with the Aguilar GS112's and it's very articulate and still has a phat round bottom. like a brazilian booty in the summer time....

[CapnSev]

Originally Posted by lullbass

I use a Genz Shuttle 9.0 with the Aguilar GS112's and it's very articulate and still has a phat round bottom. like a brazilian booty in the summer time....

Yeah, I had a GS112 for a while. I dug it, but it wasn't as "fat" as I would like, and I thought it was kind of on the heavy side for a 112.

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by CapnSev

Wow, they're that big huh?

If I went that route , I'd definitely want the tweeter addition. I'm already playing flats, and I'm afraid that the 6" driver would be a stretch to get a crisp slap sound out of.

Nah, the 6 will put out anything that your flats already present.

[Foz]

A 15/6+1 will slap you back and make you eat green jello off the prison floor. And they are just about this high



Bigger than a micro perhaps - but I still have to reach down to twiddle knobs - so the 15/6 is a small cab by my lights.

http://www.talkbass.com/wiki/index.php/Fearful

[lomo]

Originally Posted by BurningSkies

Nah, the 6 will put out anything that your flats already present.

I agree. There's a lot of bite in that mid driver IME. I play very limited slap on a couple of tunes (J5 with rounds) and it sounds great (the tone, not my playing). I also use a drum machine to practice with and it sounds very crisp through this cab. Having said that-adding a tweet adds negligible weight and cost to the box.

[CapnSev]

So what is the average weight on a 15/6 anyway?

[gm2_in_co]

OK, I'm probably showing my age here, but aren't you kind of talking an oxymoron? Am I totally outdated and out of touch thinking big bottom STILL requires big speakers and big cabinets?

That being said, I consider my Genz Benz 6.0/12t as a fairly decent compromise.

[quilttopjazz24]

A wise person once said something like this on the subject. Deep, loud, light--pick two. The meaning should be obvious.

[CapnSev]

Originally Posted by quilttopjazz24

A wise person once said something like this on the subject. Deep, loud, light--pick two. The meaning should be obvious.

^ This is the answer to this:

OK, I'm probably showing my age here, but aren't you kind of talking an oxymoron? Am I totally outdated and out of touch thinking big bottom STILL requires big speakers and big cabinets?

In my case, I think I'm ready to sacrifice some of the 'loud' for the 'deep' and 'light/small'. I have yet to push my master volume on my LMII past noon on any gig I've played. Granted, my current Bag End cabs are the loudest of the loud, but I think I'm ready for more bottom end and even response from a cab.

[G RICH 5]

Shroeder 1210L w/ GK mb2 500 or Markbass LM 800 tube. Either one of these heads w/this cab has plenty of everything. The whole package weighs in at 50lbs. or less.

Good luck.

[Sundogue]

Originally Posted by CapnSev

In my case, I think I'm ready to sacrifice some of the 'loud' for the 'deep' and 'light/small'. I have yet to push my master volume on my LMII past noon on any gig I've played. Granted, my current Bag End cabs are the loudest of the loud, but I think I'm ready for more bottom end and even response from a cab.

A lot of commercial bass cabs are more mid-voiced (due to using a smaller box for a given arrangement of speakers). Like you, I was using mid-voiced cabs and sacrificing low end. While I still don't want a lot of low end on stage, I now prefer using my own 210/6 cabs, which are kind of "fEarful meets Acme" kind of cabs. Tweeterless 210 cabs with a dedicated 6" mid. Very bright for my tastes and yet using BP102's, it provides pretty deep bass for tens.

There is no question the fEarful cabs give a deeper low end, due to design and the LF Eminence speakers.

IMO, if you like the tone try Acme's or perhaps the 12/6 fEarful (if you want to go smaller than the 15/6 but still want more low end extension). I'm not sure what small cabs are out there that produce deep low end as I haven't bought a commercial cab in years.

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by G RICH 5

Shroeder 1210L w/ GK mb2 500 or Markbass LM 800 tube. Either one of these heads w/this cab has plenty of everything. The whole package weighs in at 50lbs. or less.

Good luck.

Not to be argumentative, but I'd argue that a Schroeder 1210 doesn't have enough lows. As the owner of a 1212, I can say that IT didn't give me enough low end.

I will say that the Acme idea may be worth it. Very small and can go very low, just not a very efficient cab.

[tombowlus]

You have lots of great options out there, to be honest. With heads like the G-B Shuttle 9.0, GK MB-500 and Markbass F500, plus cabs like the fEarfuls, or a Bergantino HT112ER, and combos like the Promethean P5210, there are a number of "micro rigs" that really can deliver good, clear, deep bass.