Demo: fEARful 15/6 vs Genz Benz UB 212T

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by Foz

Trolls gonna troll...

I think that everytime you post.....

Just picked up a brand new 212t from Rocket Music for $629 on a blowout sale.

Well, I can't be sure it's new. Someone may have touched it........

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by SBsoundguy

It's not like you have to take off work to put it together. Maybe doing it on a Sunday afternoon while watching a football game at the same time. I found the experience to be rewarding when building some of Bill Fitz's cabs, and the difference with the flat packs is everything is pre-cut, so all of the hard work is already done.

But you still need clamps and appropriate tools. And, with the application of finish, you certainly aren't going to complete it in a few hours. And....if you have any issues with warping your time frame will go up substantially.

Just pointing out the apples-to-apples comparison.

[mbelue]

Yeah but buying a cab in a store yields little to no personal satisfaction. Building something yourself that performs similar enough to a commercial cab to warrant comparison that has its
own cache.

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

Its OFFICIAL. Guy N. Cognito hates fEARful. We get it buddy. You come to virtually every fEARful thread and look for ways to shoot it down.

I cannot think of any other single TBer who has such a hate on for any other brand as you do for fEARful.

I don't. I actually own the design (built by LDS) and gig it regularly. It's a great cab. It's not the end-all-be all, but its a great cab.

[willsellout]

Originally Posted by mbelue

Yeah but buying a cab in a store yields little to no personal satisfaction. Building something yourself that performs similar enough to a commercial cab to warrant comparison that has its
own cache.

I get personal satisfaction every time I plug in to my GB Neo 212.

[willsellout]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

Then why constantly shoot down the fEARful brand?

Probably for the same reason the fanboys insist on touting their superiority at every occasion

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

Then why constantly shoot down the fEARful brand?

Can you show me where I've done that in this thread?

I've express an opinion between two cabs (of which I have direct, personal, side by side experience), and tried to provide some information on pricing.

Why do you see that as hate?

[HolmeBass]

Originally Posted by Foz

You get a virtual smart shopper merit badge!

http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/...s/mb-PERM.aspx

LOL! Finally I get some scouting cred!

And Guy and WillSell, you guys are fEARful deniers. You are entitled to your opinions, but others are also equally entitled to their opinions of your opinions.

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

I agree that us fanbois get overly enthusiastic at times. I personally have made an effort to present a more balanced view.

However, Guy just can't seem to leave it alone. If fEARful is not your thing fine, no big deal we can agree to disagree. But Guy just doesn't seem able or willing to look past the fEARful threads without trying to stir the pot and be negative.

If they don't interest you, that's cool, but I don't see why Guy cannot just let people interested in fEARful have our fun and talk about them WITHOUT all the negativity and trolling.

This has been going on for YEARS with this Guy.

Again, where in this post did I express "hate?" I have direct experience with both cabs (I actually own both) and expressed an opinion, albeit different than yours. Where's the hate?


If you wonder why I expressed a little sarcasm towards Foz, you need look no farther than his first post.

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

Virtually, everything you have said in this thread (and virtually all other fEARful threads) is negative. Be it price, tone etc

If you don't see that, you are just looking for an argument.

We get it. You don't like them. Move on already.

Anyway, I am done with the back and forth bickering.

Unsubscribed.

I do like them. I just like other cabinets a little better.

Here's me at Halloween. What's behind me???



The OP posted about two cabs of which I have personal experience. He asked for opinions. I gave mine. I see no need to avoid these types of threads, simply because my preference may offend a handful of members. It's not trolling, or hate. It's opinion that different than yours.

[willsellout]

Originally Posted by HolmeBass

LOL! Finally I get some scouting cred!

And Guy and WillSell, you guys are fEARful deniers. You are entitled to your opinions, but others are also equally entitled to their opinions of your opinions.

I'm actually not a denier. Although I don't think they are as special as many people do, I did like the sound of the one I heard and I'd like to build one when I have some free cash and time. But with a full time job, family, band, and college, it's not going to happen any time soon.

This situation is one of the main reasons why I went with a commercial cab vs. a build.

[willsellout]

Originally Posted by guy n. cognito

I do like them. I just like other cabinets a little better.

Here's me at Halloween. What's behind me???



The OP posted about two cabs of which I have personal experience. He asked for opinions. I gave mine. I see no need to avoid these types of threads, simply because my preference may offend a handful of members. It's not trolling, or hate. It's opinion that different than yours.

I don't know, because I can't find you...

[Freddels]

Originally Posted by guy n. cognito

I think that everytime you post.....

Just picked up a brand new 212t from Rocket Music for $629 on a blowout sale.

Well, I can't be sure it's new. Someone may have touched it........

The GB 212neo is not the same as the Uber 212 that the OP was using.

[derrico1]

Thanks for doing this, Stuart. I've been wanting to hear those two cabs compared for a while now, and these side-by-side clips answered a couple of questions for me (esp. about the hi-end on the tweeterless 15/6 and also just how the high-mids stack up on these two cabs).

[MSUsousaphone]

Awesome demo, Holmes. Done very well. And I love that TAFM. MOAR FUZZZZZZZ!

[MSUsousaphone]

Originally Posted by HolmeBass

I paid $850 new for the GB in the summer of 2010, but they were giving me a break b/c it was the floor model. List is around $1k, but I think you can get some deals on them.

I bought the fEARful from TB'er MSUSousaphone for $800.



I didn't build it, but MSU said it was a stock Greenboy spec build, so I think it is the 18sound mid, but probably with the X-over with reduced mids? I am not certain though. For me it works very well.

The one thing that my comparison doesn't catch is just how much deeper the fEARful goes, especially on the rock tune, the bottom is much more solid and present when the bass and amp are not necessarily EQed for a lot of bass, if that makes any sense.

I got the flat pack from Leland at speakerhardware....so yeah, 18 Sound and with the latest revisions to the crossover. The wood I got local. They call it Russian Birch down here in the the seceded states of the South. We don't call commies by a nice word like baltic.

Anyways....I think all in all it cost me close to that $800 to build. A little more for the tweeter in the 15/6/1 that I built side by side with it. Not a big deal at all. Two of my friends and I put about 4 or 5 evenings into it. The shipping was......not the funnest part at all.....in fact.....I'll advice not to ship these guys. Woof. Stuart was really cool in cleaning up that mess.

[slade]

as the idiot who posted the original thread (that got shut down because it was going in the direction this thread is going) I say a big THANK YOU!! Nice work man! Such obvious differences in these two cabs, and coupled with your review it is very helpful and, dare I say, informative.
Don't let people sitting back analyzing rooms, mics, blah blah set you off- if you're a real player, who's gigged for years, recorded for years, etc- you already know these things. Sitting here in my studio, listening to your recordings through my 20 20s reveals some stuff, regardless of your room and mics (especially with regards to your opinion/review).
This thread will probably be shut down soon, but either way, thanks again for taking the time to record and review- I for one found it informative and a lot more interesting than the bickering that seems to be so common here....
Then again, sound clips are useless according to Pamela the Pontificator
you done good son, and thanks again....

[Not yet]

Originally Posted by obimark

To my ears would go with the GB 212, (and just may if I get a new job). Both sound good though, but the fearful is not the Be-All/end-all that many devotees claim, (it is real good, but that GB matches it quite well.) the vertical orientation of the GB should project more on a gig and allow easier hearing of what I am playing on stage (IMHO)

Very nice to actually hear a comp (recognizing all potential limitations....). Thanks for the effort

Can see why the devoted are devoted, and this reinforced my perceptions of both. Happily remain Genz Benz recent convert

[pickles]

This was awesome, super helpful to hear.

They're just super different, in purpose/intention. The Genz is more of a rock voiced cab, with big round low mids and some good growl. The Fearful sounds like going direct through a bright DI into a big PA (shocker!). Its super articulate and deep bordering on boomy, you'd need to EQ in mids to get the kind of sound I like.

The distortion sound is why I don't like using distortion through PAs without some kind of speaker sim. Strongly prefer the genz with dirt.

For the funk sound, the fearful is cool, with some EQ, could be great.

I'd love to hear the fearful again with a broadband cut at 1-2k and a boost at 80-120 to EQ it more into "normal bass cab" type of response. As is, for me, that sound would not sit in the mix the way I like.

[pickles]

Would also love to hear a repeat with that 70s jazz you have listed in your profile and some good compression. Fearful could shine there.