DI with Orange AD200b

Low Sound Love · #1 10-11-2011, 02:40 AM

Hi guys

I got to play an Orange AD200b all-tube head this weekend, absolutely loved it! I always thought I'd end up with an SVT-CL, but the Orange just instantly delivered the sound I was after.

One thing bugs me though: the Orange does not have an output for DI like the Ampegs do. Is it possible to place a DI so that it does capture the pre-amp's tone? I noticed there is a 'slave output' on the rear panel of the AD200b but I don't know if that can be used to hook up a DI. No use to get a great growlin' tube amp if all that gets deliverd to FOH is pre pre-amp signal ...

Ideally I'd let my cab be mic'ed when I play live, but I need to be sure to have a plan B for when we come across a specially hard-headed soundman.

Lars_Vegas · #2 10-11-2011, 03:45 AM

I would do it that way!
Isnt the slave out just a post-preamp link in case you need another poweramp? So that you can use the signal to feed another poweramp with it?
Another option would be using some kind of device to pick up the signal between your poweramp and your cab. That would be more expensive and I do not know what the standard device in the us is.

Son of Bovril · #3 10-11-2011, 04:09 AM

Mic is probably the easiest solution but...

The Device referred to above is simply a DI box that can handle a Speaker level signal such as the Radial JDI, Avalon U5 and I think the Countryman can do it as well? Even some of the cheap behringer ones can do it...

although you should just be able to plug the slave out into a standard DI box and send to FOH as well...

father of fires · #4 10-11-2011, 04:16 AM

They make DI's like the Radial JDI and the Countryman DI that can be used after the power amp. I would go that route for a tube amp.

jordie65 · #5 10-11-2011, 04:20 AM

i use a country man between my AD200 and my cab, works perfectly, fantastic, fat DI tone as its post power amp section!

Low Sound Love · #6 10-11-2011, 05:01 AM

so what it comes down to is that there are DI's that can be put between the amp's speaker output and the cab's input? Is that a correct summary? If so, what determines which DI's can or can't be put there?
thanks for the info guys!

mroekalea · #7 10-11-2011, 05:22 AM

Most DI's specification show the maximum wattage the DI can take, if no mention of wattage then it's probably not a DI which can be put on the speaker signal, also an property is the thru connector which is the connecter where the second speakercable comes out to your cab.

meRTKendrew · #8 10-11-2011, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Low Sound Love

so what it comes down to is that there are DI's that can be put between the amp's speaker output and the cab's input? Is that a correct summary? If so, what determines which DI's can or can't be put there?
thanks for the info guys!

Pretty much. The manufacturer determines if it can handle a powered signal. Some very common, and very popular DI's can do it.
Every soundman worth a grain of salt knows and respects the Radial JDI and the Countryman Type 85 DI boxes. I would buy one of those if i was you. Both work great, both bullet proof.

-RTK

Low Sound Love · #9 10-11-2011, 05:39 AM

Ok, you've pointed me in the right direction and I've done a quick search for the JDI manual, and I've found this:

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Connect your amp as usual, then connect a ¼” to ¼” cable from the second (parallel) speaker cabinet jack to the JDI. Because of the high impedance and low draw from the JDI, the amp will only see the speaker cabinet so you do not have to change the amplifier’s impedance setting. Depressing BOTH the -15dB PAD switch and the SPEAKER switch inserts a special circuit that will protect the JDI from overload and allow the parallel speaker connection to be made safely. Depressing the SPEAKER switch also introduces a band-pass filter circuit that rolls off the highs and lows in order to better emulate the performance of a typical 12" speaker.

so linking the amp to the cabinet as usual, then going from another cab jack to the JDI should be exactly what I need. thanks!

father of fires · #10 10-11-2011, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Low Sound Love

Ok, you've pointed me in the right direction and I've done a quick search for the JDI manual, and I've found this:

so linking the amp to the cabinet as usual, then going from another cab jack to the JDI should be exactly what I need. thanks!

TBer Bassboysam uses the JDI with his Matamp rig. Shoot him a PM for hookup instructions and other tips. You can find him in the Stoner/Doom thread.

basswave · #11 10-11-2011, 05:53 AM

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TBer Bassboysam uses the JDI with his Matamp rig. Shoot him a PM for hookup instructions and other tips. You can find him in the Stoner/Doom thread.

The JDI works great this way.

chadds · #12 10-11-2011, 06:26 AM

A speaker cable goes to the Countryman then another from the Countryman to the cab. An XLR output on the Countryman takes the signal to the DI.
Sounds warm and fat.

father of fires · #13 10-11-2011, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chadds

A speaker cable goes to the Countryman then another from the Countryman to the cab. An XLR output on the Countryman takes the signal to the DI.
Sounds warm and fat.

Don't forget to set the input to "SPEAKER".

Also, the JDI has a built in speaker sym that's worth checking out.

Low Sound Love · #14 10-11-2011, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chadds

A speaker cable goes to the Countryman then another from the Countryman to the cab. An XLR output on the Countryman takes the signal to the DI.
Sounds warm and fat.

thanks for that info!

so is there anything between them? they're both available at my fav e-store at the exact same price, unfortunately testing them both will not be an option. so choosing would be likely come down to tossing a coin.
My tone is T-bird into dirty tube amp with all sorts of effect pedals to spice things up further, and a dynamic heavy pick attack, should that matter.

chadds · #15 10-11-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Low Sound Love

thanks for that info!

so is there anything between them? they're both available at my fav e-store at the exact same price, unfortunately testing them both will not be an option. so choosing would be likely come down to tossing a coin.
My tone is T-bird into dirty tube amp with all sorts of effect pedals to spice things up further, and a dynamic heavy pick attack, should that matter.

I can speak about the Countryman. If you own one it's fabulous with a bass directly into a board when recording. It also sounds great with acoustic guitar so it can see multiple uses.