Ditching a fridge for a 610?

[whatisacup]

I'm not too sure about trying new designs I've never tried. 10's work for me. They always have. I've tried all types of 12's and 15's and was never happy. I really like my mids.

I'm considering having a nice lightweight neo 810 built, with good drivers. might be expensive, but that's okay. Also considering an 810 with beta drivers.

[iualum]

Originally Posted by whatisacup

I'm not too sure about trying new designs I've never tried. 10's work for me. They always have. I've tried all types of 12's and 15's and was never happy. I really like my mids.

I'm considering having a nice lightweight neo 810 built, with good drivers. might be expensive, but that's okay. Also considering an 810 with beta drivers.

O.K., best of luck .

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by iualum

Thanks. Yes, knew that multiple drivers increases sensitivity, but couldn't recall to what extent.

Don't you mean 100 & 103, through, rather than 101 & 104? But would six really go to ~104 (103?)? Going from 2 to 4 would get you to ~100, understand. But wouldn't going from 4 to 6 (a 50% increase) bring you to ~101.5? Or am I wrong on this? Just asking.

1-2 is an increase of 3, 2-4 is another 3, add 2 more for ~1-1.5...

Originally Posted by iualum

And one more item...even if the 104 (103) dB SPL on a Beta-10A 610 is right (vs. the 101 on the 15FH510), requiring double (nearly double) the power to attain the same loudness with the Faitals, wouldn't that be offset with 2.4 times the displacement of these Faitals over these Eminences (1496 cc vs. 620 cc)?

The displacement doesnt gain you anything with out the power to make use of it. Really will come down to the cab design on when you will reach fart out. I would suspect these speakers to meet their thermal limits before their mechanical limits, so you can probably hit them pretty hard. If you are only working with a 100W tube head, the 610 will be a lot louder.

[whatisacup]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

1-2 is an increase of 3, 2-4 is another 3, add 2 more for ~1-1.5...



The displacement doesnt gain you anything with out the power to make use of it. Really will come down to the cab design on when you will reach fart out. I would suspect these speakers to meet their thermal limits before their mechanical limits, so you can probably hit them pretty hard. If you are only working with a 100W tube head, the 610 will be a lot louder.

If I use the betas, what are some ways I can avoid early fart out when designing the cab specs?

[StrangerDanger]

Short of those folks playing stadium shows, nobody needs an 810 anymore.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by whatisacup

If I use the betas, what are some ways I can avoid early fart out when designing the cab specs?

Its all a set of trade offs. I would talk to who ever you are going to have build your cab about what they are comfortable implementing. If you are going to build your own cab I recommend you stick to one of the established designs until you are comfortable with the design stage.

[iualum]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

1-2 is an increase of 3, 2-4 is another 3, add 2 more for ~1-1.5...



The displacement doesnt gain you anything with out the power to make use of it. Really will come down to the cab design on when you will reach fart out. I would suspect these speakers to meet their thermal limits before their mechanical limits, so you can probably hit them pretty hard. If you are only working with a 100W tube head, the 610 will be a lot louder.

Got the SPL. Forgot 1 to 2, lol. Thanks.

On the watts. Agree. But the OP is using a Streamliner (600 or 900, didn't specify) & an SVT 7 Pro (1000).

[whatisacup]

Originally Posted by StrangerDanger

Short of those folks playing stadium shows, nobody needs an 810 anymore.

This was part of my original question, I'm highly considering a 610 with betas, they look like very efficient speakers.

I saw the Shins a few months back at a very large venue. The bassist had a very small oldish looking 410. Dunno if it was the PA or not, but his tone was one of the best I've heard in a while.



I'm highly considering a ported, lightweight 610 with the betas. Just hoping it can give me what I need in volume, for whatever comes my way.

[BogeyBass]

Originally Posted by whatisacup

If I use the betas, what are some ways I can avoid early fart out when designing the cab specs?

You reduce the size of the available airspace. Pretty much make a smaller box.

smaller box restricts cone movement so you can get an extra 10 to 30 watts per driver. But the trade off is less bass response.

Everything is kinda preset with the betas. They really love to be in about 2 cubic feet per driver. But with a 6x 10's that would be a pretty big box.

They dont sound very great in 1cubic. So the best trade off is in about 1.5 cubic per speaker. So it kinda lays itself out to get the needed space you get a 26 or so wide and around 16 to 17 deep. to even make it possible to get 1.5 per driver.

Otherwise to reduce distortion and get a little power handling, you build it pretty much like a 810 where each speaker is in its own isolated box. and in this case since the betas need to be ported have a dedicated port to each speaker. pretty simple.

also since its ported you can raise the tune frequency higher to get more power handling. but the betas kinda need to be ported a little low to work in the available airspace so that is kinda preset too.

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by StrangerDanger

Short of those folks playing stadium shows, nobody needs an 810 anymore.

Unless you're in a band of really cool badasses who kick ass like nobody's business!



It's not a question of need. It's a question of big. And bigger = better for bass. Every time.

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by whatisacup

This was part of my original question, I'm highly considering a 610 with betas, they look like very efficient speakers.

I saw the Shins a few months back at a very large venue. The bassist had a very small oldish looking 410. Dunno if it was the PA or not, but his tone was one of the best I've heard in a while.



I'm highly considering a ported, lightweight 610 with the betas. Just hoping it can give me what I need in volume, for whatever comes my way.

Ampeg SVT 410he. Has a mic in front of it so it was probably through the board. But if you're close enough to the stage, you can often hear onstage rigs.

[Mastermold]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Unless you're in a band of really cool badasses who kick ass like nobody's business!

An 810 fills a medium sized gig (200--300 room) quite nicely too. No need to save the good stuff for stadiums.

[whatisacup]

As JimmyM mentioned, a big cab looks awesome.

I think if I go the 810 route again, I'm going to just wait until I find a good deal on a local fridge.

I'm considering a 15/6, but I'm going to browse the forum a bit and post a new thread if necessary. Since I'm no longer interested in "ditching a fridge for a 610" and now I'm interested "ditching my fridge for something louder, better and cooler".

Thanks guys

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by StrangerDanger

Short of those folks playing stadium shows, nobody needs an 810 anymore.

This is so wrong. some people like to play loud, others dont always have PA support, some do it for the look and some actually like the tone. i use an 810 for all the above reaons and have never played a stadium. having gear i enjoy is 70% of the fun for me, take away the fun then why bother playing at all.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by bassboysam

This is so wrong. some people like to play loud, others dont always have PA support, some do it for the look and some actually like the tone. i use an 810 for all the above reaons and have never played a stadium. having gear i enjoy is 70% of the fun for me, take away the fun then why bother playing at all.

+1

If you take all the rock and roll out of this, why bother?

[whatisacup]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

+1

If you take all the rock and roll out of this, why bother?

I agree. If I'm ever at a show or festival, and I see a large cab, nice tube head and an old 70's P bass on stage, I'm defiantly heading over to watch!

[iualum]

Originally Posted by whatisacup

This was part of my original question, I'm highly considering a 610 with betas, they look like very efficient speakers.

I saw the Shins a few months back at a very large venue. The bassist had a very small oldish looking 410. Dunno if it was the PA or not, but his tone was one of the best I've heard in a while.



I'm highly considering a ported, lightweight 610 with the betas. Just hoping it can give me what I need in volume, for whatever comes my way.

Just curious. What about Betas suggests that they're very efficient?