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Old 09-11-2010, 07:58 AM
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Do You Know ATS??? BP500 Head + BS2X10CH-T23 Cabinet

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At the end, I finally decided to buy the “definitive” amplification rig. Here my requirements:Alla fine mi sono deciso ad acquistare il sistema di amplificazione “definitivo”. Requisiti:

• Most & Best singing Fretless sound of all (alike GARY WILLIS – Aguilar DB750)
• Grindy and offensive saturated Rock sound (alike BILLY SHEEHAN - Ampeg)
• A rig suited to face venues in little PUBs, medium sized stages and big stages, and finally open space stages too, used as bass monitor.
• A rig featuring “ALARP” weight & size (As Low As Reasonably Practicable)

After many hours spent in local music shops trying different brands of amplifiers, and many combinations (head & cabinet), it happened to me to visit ATS (Advanced Telecommunication Systems) site www.atsitaly.com, and took a contact. It didn’t take a long time to decide, and opted for a Head & a Cabinet.

I really found more than I was searching for: I had a chance to have built a custom head, with high brightness blue LEDs much alike the WW Golf control panel I love so much, and the Headphone line-out that allows me to study at night hearing my sound. And I met an extraordinary person, Mr. Enrico Santagati, the inventor of BP500 head and BS2X10CH-T23 cabinet which I bought, and as well the person who physically built and customized mine (he builds them all personally indeed).

But let’s go in order… I tried AMPEG SVT-4 PRO Head, the one with tube preamplifier and solid state power amp, but didn’t get impressed by its versatility. Don’t get me wrong, it had great roaring rock sound but with an indelible character. Too “characterized”, and perhaps I would say lacking of Hi-Fi sound capability, which for me was an important factor. I tried the Italian Mark Bass, a model featuring tube preamp and solid-state power amp. I liked it more. But in my opinion it was not enough outstanding to justify the changing from my beloved glory SWR SM 400 S head. I tried in the end the GLOKENKLANG head & cabinet, the SOUL model with 2x12” cabinet. Beautiful, HI-FI sounding, really, detailed, precise. But it didn’t give my fretless bass that “spirit”, that thickness I was dreaming of all the times I heard Gary Willis or Alain Caron. I needed a sound much more similar to human voice, more present, more “close” and intimate. Well… a good amplifier, but I was not screaming: MIRACLE!!!!!!!!!!!...  (TO ME & MY EARS, AT LEAST…) Long story short: 2 brands match, i.e. Italian ATS, and VANDERKLEY from Holland.

I am Italian, and perhaps it is because I am a little bit Patriot, or probably for Enrico Santagati managed to explain me really EVERYTHING about his line of products like BP500 head and BS2X10CH-T23 cabinet, which are complex and difficult to explain in words, and really because I often choose with “heart”, I decided at once that I would have bought ATS.

The Head & Cabinet combo seems to be built for my bass, which is a 6 strings 36 frets fretless bass (much alike Manring Hyperbass). It is incredibly responsive along the whole extension of the bass, and gives sparkling harmonics. The sound comes out always silky elegant, and velvet soft. The sound is woody, full, never compressed, at any volume. I can get JACO PASTORIUS sound, and doublebass walking sound too. I can get a SLAP Alain Caron sound too (even though SLAP on a fretless bass is not Heaven…). I can’t explain enough how the “Meoww”, tipical of fretless bass, gets out of the fretboard naturally and always and how rich and articulated is the sound: the high frequencies of the strings “frying” on the fretboard, the depth of the low fundamentals, the consistency of sustain, the dynamic of the vibratos. Every nuance is clearly understandable to the ears and yet interwoven as a whole. A sound like that is al I was looking for, and not a common result. I am enthusiast…

The sound can be saturated untill the crunch sound tipical of BILLY SHEEHAN, and so the versatility of the head is really surprising. In 2 words: my bass never sounded better. I got out recently from a music store in Milan, after trying here and there some more amplification (afer receiving my ATS), and I was very disappointed. My ATS is words better.

What can I say… to get a higher result, I shoud buy a FODERA… AS SOON AS I WIN SOME BINGO!!!!! The cabinet, a 2x10” entirely MADE IN ITALY, is rated 800W in 4 ohms. It has the same power (brutal) of a 4x10, but less weight and less bulky. No components made in CHINA. Solders are all point to point, hand made, You know what I mean. And the valves, in the pre amplifier stage, are ALL NOS Hi-Fi grade.

The down side is that after having ATS, my impulse in buying new stuff completely vanished, and visits to musical stores became de pressing!!!

Imagine: it’s like listening to classical music from VOICE OF THEATRE cabinets and EMT LP Player: You just HAVE to throw MP3 and Home Theatre **** out of the window!!!!

Any of You had a chance to try ATS? Any experience? Please share!!!
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Old 09-11-2010, 03:12 PM
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i must say i'm liking what i see with that head. the cabs look like standard bass cabs, but the head has a great look. ain't cheap, though, is it?
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Old 09-13-2010, 12:24 PM
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Do You Know ATS??? BP500 Head + BS2X10CH-T23 Cabinet

As far as the CABINET:

it is a 2x10" rated REAL 800W. the cabinet is made up in a special plywood called "marine plywood", which is quite expansive but really good sounding.
the cabinet has the 4 wheels standard, in order to ease the transportation. The safeguarding grill is made in stainless steel mirror-like finished, which really shines.
but really, the power delievered is brutal.

the head is "similar" to the DB751 Aguilar in terms of direct competitor, but in my opinion has a big advantage in terms of versatility and overall quality of single components:
the valves are NOS Hi-Fi grade (similar to original Mullard)
there is no made in china in it
the case in in stainless steel
the knobs are in stainless steel as well, CNC machined.

the price is in line, + or - 10%, Aguilar DB 751 and the like!
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Old 09-13-2010, 01:58 PM
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Very nice but of little interest to folk other than from Europe. As a 2x10 user I doubt that one can get "brutally" loud no matter how much power you push into it. 2x10s can only produce so much volume. Certainly I'd not gig with just one.

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Old 09-14-2010, 12:26 PM
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Do You Know ATS??? BP500 Head + BS2X10CH-T23 Cabinet

I agree 2x10" are not generally the best option for medium to big stages, but nevertheless there are people like myself that go playing in little stages 90% of the time and are happy with one rig, rather than with different rigs for different stages, which would be the preferred option for a professional player anyway.

As far as the intrest, I wouldn't s say that Ferrari is not of any intrest in USA... so to speack...

In Europe SVT, Aguilar, SWR, and many other premium USA brands are a point of reference. But we have brands like EBS (Sweden), MarkBass (Italy), ATS (Italy), Trace Elliot (UK), Vanderkley (Holland), Glokenklang (Germany) which may be intresting as well!

Take note that Dollar / Euro exchange rate now is good for You, and You do not have 20 to 30% of VAT like here in Italy for example.


above all: is there a special reason that push Europeans buy USA stuff, but prevent USA people to buy European stuff???

If You refer to the Customer SErvice, You have highly qualified importers that take care of support...

and there is no special secret in Hi-Fi world: YOu know what You buy and You pay for it!
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Old 09-14-2010, 01:10 PM
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the prices of US made equipment in the US are fairly cheap, especially for used gear. The same equipment in Europe and down under is priced much higher partially due to shipping, duties and importer profits. Taxes, unfortunately we all gotta pay 'em. Some pay more than others. Here in Ontario, Canada our taxes are 13%. That includes the Federal GST (same as your VAT) plus the Provincial sales tax. So adding the shipping (also with its share of taxes) to the price and import duties makes a very expensive purchase.

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Old 09-14-2010, 04:53 PM
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Do You Know ATS??? BP500 Head + BS2X10CH-T23 Cabinet

I see...

An Aguilar DB751 in Italy sells for 2200 Euro, which is almost 3000 dollars US.

An ATS BP500 may be around the same price, something less due to different taxes.
But it has the advantage of being created by one man' hands, with premium components. Quite exactly like a Fodera bass, which is pricey too.
In my opinion stuff in the same league of Fodera can be more expansive in US: a bass like that in Italy would sell for a little more than the half. Salary is much higher in US than in Italy, so that much more people can spend 8000 dollars on a bass in US than in Italy. Building premium things can be rewarding if you are the establishment, otherwise the net income have to be reduced in order to create a market. That is what happens to new brands or craftmen... I am sure that even in US there are very good products not very much known, and truly worthy! That is the sense of the thread I started! Experience with new products like ATS compared with established ones for the same proce tag.
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Old 09-15-2010, 06:51 AM
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I see...

An Aguilar DB751 in Italy sells for 2200 Euro, which is almost 3000 dollars US.
An Aguilar DB751 sells for 2200$ in the States...

http://www.basscentral.com/2003/aguilar.shtml
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Old 09-17-2010, 01:01 PM
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ATS Heads: is it worth it?

I see that Aguikar, Ampeg, Eden and the like heads are more competitive in US than in Europe, due to transportation and distribution fees.

But, as for quality, ATS may be better compared to Micheal Pope Design products. For example, the MPP-1 preamplifier costs 1500 dollars alone.

http://www.michaelpopedesign.com

Compared to this preamp, ATS is in line (at list for the price, but technically... Mr. Santagati in an Engineer specialized in scientific-applied telecommunication systems and HI-FI applications in Theatres...)

In order to have an idea, there is this video on You tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbwll6VZs18

the BASS is an Alusonic made in Aluminium (body), the Head is an ATS BP-1000 which is the bigger sister of the BP-500 I bought.

As far as the wood of the cabinets, it is OKUME' plywood, with vinilic glued.

Please post some other thoghts!
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:39 AM
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The ATS 2x12 is the best cabinet that i've ever tried
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