Does anyone like the Genz Benz NeoX 210t better than the GB NeoX 212t?

513rocks.com · #1 06-05-2011, 11:25 AM

Hello,
Ive been playing 10s for yrs, I have a Genz Benz 6x10 that has been my main cab for a long time. Im getting older and want something easier to haul. Ive been reading on here about 212s and thought this would be the way to go. I just got a GB NeoX 212t. I love the size and weight of the cab and love the sound I can dial up when im playin alone. When playing with the pa, drums moniters, and guitar players with 2 much low in their tone, I sound 2 fat.
I was lucky enough to get to play shows with 3 different bands this weekend and I just didnt like my sound. I dont think 12s are for me. I was 2 round sounding and didnt have the punch im used 2. I have a Sadowsky UV70 with flats and and Ashdown ABM500 EVOII head. I like to run my head pretty straight without using the eq much. I like a growly jazz bass punchy tone. The 12s were just to fat and not punchy enough for me. I tried to work the eq 2 get what I was after but it sounded 2 modern and compressed 4 me.
I was thinkin about takin it back and switchin it 4 a NeoX 210t. It would be a little lighter but 6in shorter but more punch. I was also maybe thinkin about maybe tryin a Markbass Standard 104hf. Thats a little larger than I was wanting to go but from what ive read, it sounds like that might be a good choice 4 what im lookin 4.
Can you guys givd me your thoughts?
Thanx,
Mark

CElton · #2 06-05-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 513rocks.com

I like to run my head pretty straight without using the eq much.

I would suggest trying some different settings before you dismiss the cab. I find the NeoX 212 to be pretty neutral sounding and it responds really well to EQ.

randysmojo · #3 06-05-2011, 05:27 PM

From my experiences, flat wounds are not the best way to get punchy sound. They are basically made to be deeper, rounder sounding strings. That said, if you love the flat wounds, you can probably get a great tone out of your current set up if you are not scared of trying to move your tone knobs off of flat. That is what they are there for. They are a tool to tailor your tone to exactly what you want. Otherwise you could just run your bass into a power amp. I would try experimenting more with the current set up and see what can happen. If you still don't seem to get what you want, see if you can take your rig and instrument and try out the cabinets before you try trading and wind up maybe not happy again.

KsPiNeSh · #4 06-05-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CElton

I would suggest trying some different settings before you dismiss the cab. I find the NeoX 212 to be pretty neutral sounding and it responds really well to EQ.

Agreed - I've been using my NEOX-212T for years now and have not had any trouble getting punch. Also agree that flats are probably not the best for a "pop" in your sound. I don't think that moving to a smaller cab will be the answer.

513rocks.com · #5 06-05-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by randysmojo

From my experiences, flat wounds are not the best way to get punchy sound. They are basically made to be deeper, rounder sounding strings. That said, if you love the flat wounds, you can probably get a great tone out of your current set up if you are not scared of trying to move your tone knobs off of flat. That is what they are there for. They are a tool to tailor your tone to exactly what you want. Otherwise you could just run your bass into a power amp. I would try experimenting more with the current set up and see what can happen. If you still don't seem to get what you want, see if you can take your rig and instrument and try out the cabinets before you try trading and wind up maybe not happy again.

Ive always got great punch using flats with my 2x10 and 6x10. I messed with the eq tons @ all 3 shows. I just dont like 12s. When you use cabs with 10s in them 4 25yrs, switching 2 12s is a big difference.

513rocks.com · #6 06-05-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KsPiNeSh

Agreed - I've been using my NEOX-212T for years now and have not had any trouble getting punch. Also agree that flats are probably not the best for a "pop" in your sound. I don't think that moving to a smaller cab will be the answer.

I think im gonna try puttin some round wounds on one of my jazz basses and see how that sounds. I agree, the neox 210 probably isnt a good idea plus I already have an avatar 210. I wish Genz Benz made a neo 4x10. Kinda interested in test drivin that Markbass 104 cab.

5StringPocket · #7 06-06-2011, 11:50 AM

Genz Benz does make a neo 410 - the Uber 410T.
UBER BASS | GENZ BENZ
This is a great sounding cab with all the punch and growl you could ask for. It weighs 72 lbs so it's not small but is a tone monster. The Berg AE410 and the SWR MM Golight 410 are other very punchy neo 410's which are smaller and lighter than the Uber 410T but don't have the bottom that the Uber does. There are a number of good choices out there.

maurilio · #8 10-02-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 513rocks.com

I think im gonna try puttin some round wounds on one of my jazz basses and see how that sounds. I agree, the neox 210 probably isnt a good idea plus I already have an avatar 210. I wish Genz Benz made a neo 4x10. Kinda interested in test drivin that Markbass 104 cab.

Hello,
any follow up to your quest?
I'm having a 'smilar' problem with my NEOX212T… it is a great cab, but as I "suspected" (from previous experiences), 12" drivers have a certain "bloom" in the low mids which in some stages doesn't help…

M

RickenBoogie · #9 10-02-2011, 10:44 AM

It's not because they're 12's vs 10's, as the size of the speaker has no bearing on the punch vs bloom- it's the cabinet tuning much moreso. I completely agree, roundwound strings and judicious use of the amps eq section is the answer.

bugbass · #10 10-02-2011, 11:10 AM

I`ve played and owned several 12" cabs, and they just don`t work for me. Always go back to 10"`s. I now use the Genz Benz Uber 410 and it kills!!

shoot-r · #11 10-02-2011, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bugbass

I`ve played and owned several 12" cabs, and they just don`t work for me. Always go back to 10"`s!!

+1!!!

I ran 10's for years, then to go to a smaller/lighter cab, I went with a 2-12" for a while.
The 12's gave the band a nice low-end pillow but I could "never" dial in enough cut/clarity for my tastes. (12's and 15's, "to my ears", seem to smear notes on a fast bass line.)
I'm back to 10's now.
Two 210 cabinets stacked as a vertical 410 and couldn't be happier!
I've got my cut and clarity and plenty of low end.

513rocks.com · #12 10-02-2011, 02:17 PM

I'm back to my Benz 610 it rolls so it is still easier to haul than carring a small cab. I learned a lesson trying smaller cabs, if I ain't broke don't fix it!

shoot-r · #13 10-02-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 513rocks.com

if I ain't broke don't fix it!

+1!!!

It's always fun to try different equipment, but your ears seem to tell you the same thing that my ears have told me..."your not gonna be happy with anything but 10's!"

lo-freq · #14 12-25-2011, 08:27 PM

Ran across this thread and just wanted to interject that driver sizes may have certain tendencies in general, but you can't lob all driver sizes together tonally.

I've heard some 12" and some 15" drivered cabs that sound punchier than some 10" drivered cabs.

The acoustics in some playing environments are really helped by setting your cab up on a milk crate or something that gets it up off the floor.
I've gotten used to using one about 90% of the time and then I just EQ the low end response to fit the room.
That also get the drivers up closer to my ears which helps me hear myself on a tight stage without cranking the volume to the point where the low end mucks-up the stage sound.