does this sounds like a good idea?

brenner182 · #1 06-11-2011, 01:44 PM

im currently running a older fender/sunn Bassman 2x15. it's the 300 watt/600 program cab. But i dont feel that it has enough high end to cut through on live applications. So what i am thinking about is getting a 2x10 to put on top of it to help push a little more high end out and cut through better. But when i find one, would it better to just link both cabs together and run full ranger or bi amp it and just send my lows to the 15's and my highs to thew 2x10? My rig consists of a sansamp rpm and a crown xls drivecore 1500 and some other things as well in the rack.

dmusic148 · #2 06-11-2011, 01:49 PM

Get a cab with a tweeter and run 'em full range. Just make sure to check phase between cabs. No way to predict how this will sound, however.

brenner182 · #3 06-11-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dmusic148

Get a cab with a tweeter and run 'em full range. Just make sure to check phase between cabs. No way to predict how this will sound, however.

Phase as in Ohmage?

dmusic148 · #4 06-11-2011, 02:07 PM

No, as in make sure one cab isn't pushing out while the other is pushing in. This will kill low-end response.
Ohmage? With two dissimilar cabs it's impossible to say how much loudness difference a mismatch will make, athough the 2x15 will probably win no matter what.. Are you planning to use a mono amp? If so, you need to make sure the combined load(Ohmage) isn't below the minimum allowed for your amp. Unless you use a tube amp- that's a whole other discussion.

brenner182 · #5 06-11-2011, 02:10 PM

i have a stereo power amp that i use that is capable of bi-amping. How would i check to see about phasing?

billfitzmaurice · #6 06-11-2011, 02:12 PM

All you need is a pair of eights or sixes, high-pass filtered, similar to the top box found in the fEarful threads. Your amp already has the high-pass built in.

BassmanPaul · #7 06-11-2011, 02:37 PM

It's IMPEDANCE not ohmage! There's no such word!

Zooberwerx · #8 06-11-2011, 02:46 PM

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It's IMPEDANCE not ohmage! There's no such word!

Sorry, Paul..."ohmage" was added to the TB lexicon years ago along with "irregardless" and "most unique".

Riis

brenner182 · #9 06-11-2011, 02:52 PM

lol oops. my bad.

billfitzmaurice · #10 06-11-2011, 03:50 PM

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Sorry, Paul..."ohmage" was added to the TB lexicon years ago along with "irregardless" and "most unique".

You forget 'inchage' and 'centimeterage', depending on locale.

brenner182 · #11 06-11-2011, 03:58 PM

Anybody have any recommendations on cabs to try?

Stumbo · #12 06-11-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brenner182

But i dont feel that it has enough high end to cut through on live applications.

Feeling are not facts.

I suggest recording a gig with your 2x15 and find out if it sits in the mix well enough before you spend your hard earned cash on attempting to "cut through".

Or go wireless so you can check out your rig FOH to hear it "in the mix". Maybe it's fine and attempting to "cut through" is not what you really need?

Do you have and bass playing buddies who would/could use your current rig as a test with you FOH? Maybe some of what you perceive as a problem can be adjusted with some E.Q.

If you try to solve a problem you don't know exists yet, you may not end up where you think you should have. And you may waste a lot of time/energy/resources.

billfitzmaurice · #13 06-11-2011, 04:02 PM

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Anybody have any recommendations on cabs to try?

2x6 and 2x8 cabs are either DIY or custom built. But lugging around a 2x10 makes no sense, as fully 3/4 of its size is there to handle frequencies you don't need from it. And sixes and eights have better mids.

Blankandson · #14 06-11-2011, 07:39 PM

I'm following this because several GK posts talk about using two GK MB115s together which would give you 2X15s and 400 watts. That's close to what you already have.

Sartori · #15 06-11-2011, 08:44 PM

I agree with those advising you to make sure it actually is a problem before you try to fix it.

Most of the frequencies I think of as the "cutting through" ones are mids, rather than high treble. Also depends what sort of mix you're working in. I don't need to cut through nearly as much with my folk-rock band as with my metal projects. For those, I do need to cut through, but my 15"s do just fine without any help from smaller speakers.

Stumbo · #16 06-12-2011, 12:44 AM

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I agree with those advising you to make sure it actually is a problem before you try to fix it.

Most of the frequencies I think of as the "cutting through" ones are mids...

I would also check with your guitar players get their opinion about add mids to your rig and how it affects your groups FOH sound.

I mean, if your guitar players showed up to a gig with a couple of 2x15 cabs because they felt (there are those feelings again) they didn't have enough FOH presence in the lows, how would you feel? They would be stepping into your sonic territory, change the overall sound of the band and basically turn your world upside down. All without check with you first.

Zooberwerx · #17 06-12-2011, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by brenner182

Anybody have any recommendations on cabs to try?

Geeez, I hate to bring this up but have you given any thought to ditching the 2 X 15 and replacing with two well-voiced 2 X 10's or similar? IIRC, there's not much available in western MD (I grew up in LaVale) so a day trip to Pittsburgh or the DC metro areas may be in order.

Riis

Sartori · #18 06-12-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stumbo

I would also check with your guitar players get their opinion about add mids to your rig and how it affects your groups FOH sound.

I mean, if your guitar players showed up to a gig with a couple of 2x15 cabs because they felt (there are those feelings again) they didn't have enough FOH presence in the lows, how would you feel? They would be stepping into your sonic territory, change the overall sound of the band and basically turn your world upside down. All without check with you first.

Nice way to judge without knowing someone's musical situation there.

Most guitarists I play with have lots of highs, pretty beefy lows, and quite little in terms of mids, at least in the metal bands I play with.

Hence why I noted that for the folk rock band, where the guitar is actually mostly mids and highs, I don't boost mids and use a bit more low end in my sound than with the metal bands. It's not really about cutting through, more about slotting in.

brenner182 · #19 06-12-2011, 08:57 PM

I prolly should have stated mids. I dont know why, but i always call them my highs. I dont makes sense sometimes.

Through the pa my bass sits fine in the mix. im mainy just worried about my onstage. Once i start working my way up the fret board it is drowned out by the cymbals.