Don't you love it when........HELP!!!!!!!!!!

GrinningMouth88 · #1 06-23-2011, 10:41 AM

I had a goldline 410 over a backline 115, pushed them through a 700rbII. NO problems at practice, sounded fine. I decide to upgrade to a neo 412 but needed so sell off my two cabs. Go to the practice space, pick them up, take them home. Now all of a sudden, 2 days later when the guy comes to look at the whole 500 dollar package (i was selling an ibanez with them) both cabs are blown in addition to my goldline now all of a sudden having loose wood that is vibrating like the dickens. I ended up selling my goldline for 120 but most of that was from the 2 replacement speakers included with it. now I have a blown 15, about 270 dollars saved up, practice and a gig coming up in a couple days..........FML. WHY! oh WHY! does this stuff happen to me, any words of encouragement or tips? I'm kinda using this thread to vent/ get advice.

citynorth · #2 06-23-2011, 12:10 PM

I just finished dealing with a similar situation.... I sold my mesa ph410 on ebay planning to upgrade to a berg 212, but the day after i shipped it off my car broke down and had to pay a few hundred to get it fixed. I took the leftover cash and got an ampeg 610 on craigslist for 400 (had to do a little lowballing) and used it for about a month while i saved up cash again, then ended up selling it for 550, solved my problem and had an extra 150 to put towards my new cab. I'd suggest you try something like this with your $270... maybe on a 212 since you're switching over to a 412. just make sure you get a good deal. And while your doing this, get your 115 fixed and sell that so you can get at least something out of it.

GrinningMouth88 · #3 06-23-2011, 01:22 PM

well now i'm pretty sure it's not necessarily my cab, but my amp. I'm pretty sure the preamp or something is messed up on my 700rb II. All I know is there is constant cutting in and out, rediculous buzz that happens at random times for no reason, just some strange electronic input kinda stuff. Some days I wake up and don't know why I bother. any tips? i know i can take it into a shop to get it looked at but i don't have a whole lot of money to throw around and paying 80 bucks only to hear them say "i don't know", or "yep, definitely not the amp" will be enough to push me over the edge.

Alex1984 · #4 06-23-2011, 02:23 PM

Ouch, does that mean you undersold the Goldline and is still stuck with a problem? Is there a friend that you can borrow gear from?

BassmanPaul · #5 06-23-2011, 02:40 PM

Pairing a 4x10 with a 1x15 is a bad thing. I'm surprised the 15 lasted as long as it did. I really am sorry you are in this predicament. Are there any rental places where you can get a cabinet for your rehearsal and gig?

Crap happens to us all from time to time (Murphy's law) so it's not happening just to you.

Getting a problem with your amp eliminated from the equation is a necessary step. You are going to need an amp after all. That's all the advice I can give you. You have to work your way through until everything is working to your liking.

May I wish you luck in getting your problems taken care of.

citynorth · #6 06-23-2011, 02:41 PM

Well GK covers their amps for 2 years so if you are the original buyer and have the receipt, that should be your warranty and you should be fine. If you are just cutting in and out it could just be soldering needs to be redone somewhere. It probably won't be too bad. I know how frustrating this stuff can be, especially being low on funds and not having back up gear. I remember when i was in your situation, I used my drummers crate 220w combo amp for a couple practices (blah) but I remember I came to practice one of those days and he said his amp stopped working when he tried to play it today after bringing it from his house. I tried it too, and i was cutting in and out and not getting much volume, so i gave it a moderate smack and boom it worked just fine. Every time it cut in and out I would always smack it and it would come back, give that a try ONLY IF you have no other options for gear and need something for practice immediately. If it doesn't work after a couple don't keep smacking. Either way before you get your pimp hand strong contact GK and see if you are covered, and take it to an authorized GK repair center. A GK backline 600 would be a nice alternative (back up) to your amp, i have one as my back up and its a very reliable amp for very cheap.
Also, i have said all of this assuming that you have tried a different bass, and different cables on your gear as well right?

fingerbun · #7 06-23-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BassmanPaul

Pairing a 4x10 with a 1x15 is a bad thing. I'm surprised the 15 lasted as long as it did.

Huh? More info please?

JimmyM · #8 06-23-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fingerbun

Huh? More info please?

An average 410 handles about twice the power of an average 115.

fingerbun · #9 06-23-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

An average 410 handles about twice the power of an average 115.

So the advice isn't "don't run a 1x15 with a 4x10" but rather "make sure your cabs have compatible impedance and power handling". Is it that simple? If I put 2 cabs together that are rated at 200w at 8ohms, speaker size doesn't matter, correct.

JimmyM · #10 06-23-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fingerbun

So the advice isn't "don't run a 1x15 with a 4x10" but rather "make sure your cabs have compatible impedance and power handling". Is it that simple? If I put 2 cabs together that are rated at 200w at 8ohms, speaker size doesn't matter, correct.

Nope. You still have to take into consideration possible phasing problems when using non-matching cabs. It's possible to have a great sound using non-matching cabs...I've seen a lot of bass players do it, including some of the world's greatest. But the results are unpredictable because of phase relationships between the two cabs. Some work out well, some work out horribly.

Downunderwonder · #11 06-23-2011, 04:05 PM

btw , who else has a bass and keys to the practice space???

lbwdog · #12 06-23-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex1984

Ouch, does that mean you undersold the Goldline and is still stuck with a problem? Is there a friend that you can borrow gear from?

Another myth like underpowering speakers.
You can't undersell a Goldline!

Gearhead17 · #13 06-23-2011, 05:32 PM

Although Guitar Center loves when you do this

(Note sarcasm), buy a brand new head and cab for your upcoming gig. Treat it like your first born child and politely return it before 30 days are up. Not the night after, about a week later if possible. Sounds like the head is going crazy, That needs to get repaired before anything else.

At least you can put the purchase on credit. That sucks for sure.

Electricblue · #14 06-23-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

Nope. You still have to take into consideration possible phasing problems when using non-matching cabs. It's possible to have a great sound using non-matching cabs...I've seen a lot of bass players do it, including some of the world's greatest. But the results are unpredictable because of phase relationships between the two cabs. Some work out well, some work out horribly.

May I add that I pair a 410 and 115, and they sound very pleasing together, from almost all angles.

The 410 is 450w, the 115 is 350w, the head is 300w. There is no overpowering issues going on here, thermally that is. I learn to use my ears for realising the speakers are approaching their mechanical limits (personally, I have never had this problem)

Bass_Pounder · #15 06-23-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BassmanPaul

Pairing a 4x10 with a 1x15 is a bad thing. I'm surprised the 15 lasted as long as it did.

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Originally Posted by fingerbun

Huh? More info please?

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

An average 410 handles about twice the power of an average 115.

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Originally Posted by fingerbun

So the advice isn't "don't run a 1x15 with a 4x10" but rather "make sure your cabs have compatible impedance and power handling". Is it that simple? If I put 2 cabs together that are rated at 200w at 8ohms, speaker size doesn't matter, correct.

Just need to make a minor correction to what Jimmy said.......

The reason that a 1X15 is a bad match up with a 4X10 is because sound is produced by a speakers moving in/out (displacement of air). Wattage ratings mean absolutely nothing, as most speakers are displacement limited to using about 1/2 to 2/3 of their wattage rating.

The speaker displacement of the average 4X10 is twice that of a 1X15. The 1X15 becomes the weak link in your chain, and will run out of gas and start "farting out" long before your 4X10 will.

WhoDidTheElf · #16 06-23-2011, 06:29 PM

I hear your pain man.

I too run a 4x10 with a 1x15, but I don't ever really push it that hard. Sounds wonderful but it does have its limitations.

Edit: To add to the bit above...when it does start to fart out it can be harder to pick up, especially if it is your bottom cab. Down there you don't hear it as well as the 4x10 on top and are less likely to pick up on it starting to fail.

fingerbun · #17 06-23-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

Nope. You still have to take into consideration possible phasing problems when using non-matching cabs. It's possible to have a great sound using non-matching cabs...I've seen a lot of bass players do it, including some of the world's greatest. But the results are unpredictable because of phase relationships between the two cabs. Some work out well, some work out horribly.

That's ok. I was zooming in on the notion that it could destroy the cabs. Sounding awful is a different discussion.

fingerbun · #18 06-23-2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Electricblue

May I add that I pair a 410 and 115, and they sound very pleasing together, from almost all angles.

The 410 is 450w, the 115 is 350w, the head is 300w. There is no overpowering issues going on here, thermally that is. I learn to use my ears for realising the speakers are approaching their mechanical limits (personally, I have never had this problem)

Similar. I'm running a 200w head into a 150w 1x15 and a 200w 2x10. The 15 is a 1981 EV TL bin. I love it but I have had it since new and it owes me nothing. If it blows I replace. But I don't run the amp all that hard so I expect the cause of death to be old age.

GrinningMouth88 · #19 06-23-2011, 11:17 PM

Unfortunately, my amp is about 4 years past warranty. I don't think I undersold the goldline because there was something legitimately messed up about it as well. The speakers weren't hitting in unison. Idk any friends with bass cabs that could handle the 700rbII (there's not much of a music scene where I live and most of it isn't to my taste). Either way i think it's time to take my 700rbaby to the doctor to get a nice checkup (or lobotomy), Thinking about just going with a neo 212 at the moment which will set me back about $550 which is do-able by my next paycheck. Then I'll just add another 212 down the road. Really wanted that 412 though..............it's about 200 dollars cheaper than splitting the cabs. Oh, and our practice space is at our drummer's house and he doesn't really play bass or own one. If however i find out that he was letting someone come over and use it well than that's a different story altogether. I will beat him with his own shoes......to an odd time signature so he get's confused and stares at me (we have a love hate relationship