DOOM for cheap?

bassdie · #1 09-22-2011, 10:31 PM

I've posted similar threads before but this is the real deal.

Heres my situation:

A couple months ago i unloaded my SVT450 to get a 70's V4

. Well that was all well and good untill I started playing in lower tunings (sludge metal). The v4 loses a serious amount of low end and I cant even play my rick through it and get a tone i like unless i use the lead pickup. I'm strapped for cash but i need a killer tone for this band. I'll be running into a decent amount of cash pretty soon so i figure my budget (after unloading the V4) will be in the neighborhood of $1000.

So heres my question:

Should I peruse craigslist for a decently priced SVT (im running a 4x10 cab rated at 500 watts at 4 ohms)? Should I split my signal into the v4 and an acoustic into the one cab? or is there another option I havnt thought of?

What say you!?

MuthaFunk · #2 09-22-2011, 10:46 PM

I'm sure some would disagree with me but I'd look into a used power amp and a VTBass pedal. Or look for a used SWR and just put the VTBass into the FX return. SWR's seem to be uncool now so they can be found a little cheaper used than say a Ampeg or Mark Bass but you know what, they're still pro level gear and can sound great. I bet you can piece together a killer rig for under $500 including the VT Bass pedal.

grendle · #3 09-22-2011, 10:58 PM

Not sure if it qualifies for doom status but I'm running a svt preamp, 1200 watt power amp, and 2 1x15 cabs . I have less than $1000 into my rig. Sounds mean with spectors tuned down to drop b .

6810 · #4 09-22-2011, 11:12 PM

All of the above.

Get yourself a load of watts via a power amp or a Carvin lead sled. Set yourself up with a cheap/simple preamp (tons of options out there) and a truck load of speakers to give worship to your watts.

While watts are important, remember, a ton of speakers will really make her eyes sparkle.

bassdie · #5 09-22-2011, 11:26 PM

^I've thought about this but I'm honestly trying to stay as close to all tube as possible and I love me some nice WARM tone. Plus aesthetically I'm not a fan of racks.

EDIT: But I will agree that I ned to upgrade my cab situation. something taller than my 5 foot 6 frame would be great

rodl2005 · #6 09-22-2011, 11:41 PM

Get the SVT-CL or a SVT 7 PRO-BOTH will be a massive improvement on the 450, (I think the 7 PRO has more headroom, but it IS 700 more watts

& sit ur cab on a crate.

Don't plug 2 amp's into one cab (this applies to 99% of cabs anyway).
& yes, a bigger cab at some stage if u still need more

sharkwagon · #7 09-22-2011, 11:46 PM

Get as many Peavey cabs with 15" BWs as you can drive. Apply wattage. Win.

bassdie · #8 09-22-2011, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rodl2005

Get the SVT-CL or a SVT 7 PRO-BOTH will be a massive improvement on the 450

not running the 450, running a V4.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharkwagon

Get as many Peavey cabs with 15" BWs as you can drive. Apply wattage. Win.

Orange

PS: if theres some confusion by DOOM i mean DOOM as in Sludge/Doom not BIG. But yeah, 15" or 12" speakers are in my future.

Bassmec · #9 09-22-2011, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 6810

All of the above.

Get yourself a load of watts via a power amp or a Carvin lead sled. Set yourself up with a cheap/simple preamp (tons of options out there) and a truck load of speakers to give worship to your watts.

While watts are important, remember, a ton of speakers will really make her eyes sparkle.

With enough efficient speakers like at least an 8X10"
the old v4 will do exactly what you want with only 100 watts.
If you had an old Acoustic 408 4 X 15 cab you might do even better with downtune stuff, there is no substitute for cubic inches after all.

Come to think of it!, what would be more doom that TWO 408 cabs individually rewired series parallel then the two cabs in parallel for the beautiful sounding V4's 4 ohms output tap.
That would certainly blow away a really good 4 X 10 powered
by a 1000 watts RMS power amp.
After all at 1000 real watts and your tuning, your tens will have run into at least 6dB of speaker compression if not total farts ville and creased speaker cones leading to imminent failure, unless you are extremely careful.

eyvindwa · #10 09-23-2011, 12:08 AM

How 'bout getting an Orange Terror Bass? Cheapish, lots of power and sounds quite doomy to my ears.

TrevorOfDoom · #11 09-23-2011, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by eyvindwa

How 'bout getting an Orange Terror Bass? Cheapish, lots of power and sounds quite doomy to my ears.

this.

add another 4x10 and you're done!

orrrr.... keep the VB4 and just add a 4x10, see how you feel about that.

BogeyBass · #12 09-23-2011, 01:28 AM

Many people get false impressions of old tube amps.

The amp might still work, but it could be very well no where close to what a V4 is suppose to sound like.

2 things, the large silver power supply capacitors could be original and even if they still work they need to be replaced.

after some new caps replace with new power tubes and bias the amp a little hot.....then you will hear what a V4 sounds like....

if that aint enough a 4x10 might not have the bass your looking for.....i'm not sure what brand or what drivers are in your cab but most 10's give out below 70 to 60hz and have a known peak at 100hz that fool most people into thinking a 10 actually has bass

a 2x15 will go down to a realistic 50 to 60hz depending upon the driver.

recap and retube your V4 its worth it and will increase the resale. Try a 2x15 cabinet with Eminence Legends or 3015 or reconed K-140 JBL's

rodl2005 · #13 09-23-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bassdie

not running the 450, running a V4.

Orange

PS: if theres some confusion by DOOM i mean DOOM as in Sludge/Doom not BIG. But yeah, 15" or 12" speakers are in my future.

Yeah, sorry. still, SVT-CL will do the job, or a 7 Pro, if you don't want the weight or full on tube OD.

Mr. Foxen · #14 09-23-2011, 05:11 AM

Doom wants big rigs. And Peavey is the cheap way to do doom. I'd rock a VT bass into a Peavey power amp and piles of peavey 4x10s if I wanted to cheap out.

paradigm_shift · #15 09-23-2011, 05:12 AM

Seriously think you could get away with a second cab for more volume. 100watts should be doable if you want the grindy overdriven sound .Alternatively if you like the sound of it you could slave to a power amp+ another cab. More speakers=more presence/volume

bassdie · #16 09-23-2011, 08:46 AM

So the SVT CL sounds like a winning direction BUT...

I do like the sound of the V4... has anyone had this problem with them before? It just sounds like the low notes cut out... how much would it cost to recap and re-tube the V4?

bogeybass: as far as the cab goes I'm not gonna add another 4x10, the rick gives me enough brightness so a 15" or a 2x12" is what I'll probably do. I'm also clueless when it comes to the nitty gritty of matching cabs with heads so your post might as have been in latin hahaha. the cab is a AMPEG stock 410HLF. Would Emperor be a good idea/ reasonable?

eyvindwa: I've actually never tried the bass terror... there's a music store by me that has one so I think I'll try it out this weekend.

**Lazarus.Bird** · #17 09-23-2011, 08:51 AM

Hmm. Seems to be an svt for sale down in my sig. How did that get there

bassdie · #18 09-23-2011, 08:57 AM

^sonofabitch! Unfortunately I wont be running into the extra cash I need to make this work for another week or two... damn. If I was local I'd hop on it but I'm in Mass

cableguy · #19 09-23-2011, 08:57 AM

If you have an 410HLF I think your cab should be plenty "doom". Look at a used Carvin B1500 or B2000. Stck a VT Bass ot Sansamp BDDI in front. You will be under your budget and have gobs of power/headroom. These amps can run 2ohm so add another 410HLF in the future if you really think you need to.

bassdie · #20 09-23-2011, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cableguy

If you have an 410HLF I think your cab should be plenty "doom". Look at a used Carvin B1500 or B2000. Stck a VT Bass ot Sansamp BDDI in front. You will be under your budget and have gobs of power/headroom. These amps can run 2ohm so add another 410HLF in the future if you really think you need to.

I've had sansamp stuff before... not a fan. The sansamp with my rick sounds really ****in tiny... looking to warm things up tone wise.