dual rig distorted / clean setup

[grendle]

Ok so I have a svt2 pre, a 1200 watt power amp, and a hartke 3500. Cabs are undecided at this point but 2x 1x15 and 2x 4x10 is a possibility.

I'm looking to run one set up and pair of cabs for a distorted sound and one set for a clean sound. I'm looking for suggestions on using a splitter or an external crossover. Which would be better? Recommendations on what to get to make this work?

Thanks!

[JimmyM]

Splitter. That way you can turn the distorted rig off when you want clean.

[UnfortunateTony]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Splitter. That way you can turn the distorted rig off when you want clean.

This.

Essentially you just need an A/B/Both box, set one rig for distorted, one for clean, and even them out to the volumes and EQs that you like.

Have a good time man, dual rigs like this are TONS of fun to play with.

[kaputsport]

I have an A/B/Y box, with 1 in 2 outs and a mute button.

A goes to effects, B goes to clean. I can mute any channel, or both, and if I want double clean, I can just turn off the effects. The cool part comes in that at the other side, if need be, I have another A/B/Y set to combine with 2 in and 1 out for a single rig to blend multiple channels.

It sounds complex, but is really easy to put together.

[grendle]

Any suggestions on which to get? Like an a/b box ? This is new to me ,I usually run 1rig full range. But hey I have the amps and thought it would sound cool lol.

Found a bad solder joint I missed and brought the hartke back to life. I figure it sounds too good to let it sit in storage lol.

[grendle]

Originally Posted by kaputsport

I have an A/B/Y box, with 1 in 2 outs and a mute button.

A goes to effects, B goes to clean. I can mute any channel, or both, and if I want double clean, I can just turn off the effects. The cool part comes in that at the other side, if need be, I have another A/B/Y set to combine with 2 in and 1 out for a single rig to blend multiple channels.

It sounds complex, but is really easy to put together.

Sounds like what I'm looking to do. Which box do you recommend?

[grendle]

Ouch those can get expensive.

[Calaverasgrande]

whirlwind makes a cheap one. Lehle makes an expensive one. Radial makes one that is just right.

[JimmyM]

I used to use the Morley ABY to switch between my electric and upright before I got the VT Deluxe. People say it's kind of cheap but I never had a problem with it.

[Ric5]

Get a Rolls mixer to split the signal

Rolls MX41S 4 Channel Mixer

Rolls MX44s Mini-Mix IV Mini 4 Channel Audio Mixer

[Ric5]

I combine clean and dirty signals parallel on my pedalboard.

bass effects

[silky smoove]

Why not just use a 410 for the clean bass side, and a guitar combo with an HPF for the distortion side?

[Caca de Kick]

I use the Lehle P Split splitter box because it's buffered and provides quiet hum/buzz free signals. I don't use separate mute bottons for either amp because I want them both going at the same time, I simply turn off the distortion pedal on the B rig and its volume is just a tad lower than rig A.

I tried the Morley ABY my guitarist has but still got too much noise in the signals.

Why not just use ........... and a guitar combo with an HPF for the distortion side?]

Not the same thing. You really get no bottom end from the guitar rig just the top. With the bass rig you can get meatier crushing bottom when you kick it on.

[NicJimBass]

I experimente with this a while back. Ran my normal rig- GK 700RB-II into 2 Avatar SB112's for the low end, and a Peavey XXL 212 combo for the dirt. Granted, the guitar combo was SS, and sounded pretty lame by itself, but combining it with the GK/Avatar setup and it was total destruction! I used a Boss LS-2 to split the signal. It also allowed me to tweak the volume of each one from the pedal, just in case.

[MAMMOTHvolume]

Originally Posted by silky smoove

Why not just use a 410 for the clean bass side, and a guitar combo with an HPF for the distortion side?

I was thinking this, you really need to match the rigs so one totally doesn't overpower the other. You also need alot less power than you think to make distortion loud

[silky smoove]

Originally Posted by Caca de Kick

Not the same thing. You really get no bottom end from the guitar rig just the top. With the bass rig you can get meatier crushing bottom when you kick it on.

Its definitely not the same thing, but it always seems like a lot of extra effort when someone brings a second bass rig for distortion tones that end up being all mids and highs. Clearly you're using it for something other than what I'm describing given your comment of "meatier crushing bottom."

[JGR]

I've probably done every possible permutation - ric-o-sound into two amps/cabs, multiple clean/dirty amps and cabs with pedals, etc., and I think the simplest and most effective solution is to use a single amp and cab with the pedal of your choice blended in with a Radial Big Shot Mix. It sounds more natural than any of the other things I've tried, and is simpler to boot.

[godofthunder59]

I have done this for years. SVTs and Marshall Majors. I use a Whirlwind A/B box works great.

[RickenBoogie]

Originally Posted by JGR

I've probably done every possible permutation - ric-o-sound into two amps/cabs, multiple clean/dirty amps and cabs with pedals, etc., and I think the simplest and most effective solution is to use a single amp and cab with the pedal of your choice blended in with a Radial Big Shot Mix. It sounds more natural than any of the other things I've tried, and is simpler to boot.

THIS^ but if you must use 2 rigs, use either a decent mixer, or a better AB/Y like the Lehle.

[BassmanPaul]

The biggie when using two different amps is to ensure that both cabinets are in phase at the end of the chain. If they are not then playing both chains together they'll subtract instead of adding.