Eden 410 + which other cab

amemoryahope · #1 07-27-2010, 03:17 PM

I am looking to add a portability factor to my rig. I have an eden d410t, 4 ohm 500ish watt handling if memory serves me correct and a Genz Benz 600. I was looking at different 210 cabs to daisy chain with the eden to make a 610 when needed. Besides sticking with eden (if I can find a local 210!) what other brands would work out well with this combination?

RickenBoogie · #2 07-27-2010, 04:44 PM

The brand doesn't matter, but the impedance matching does. With a 4 ohm 410, your options are fairly limited, even assumiing the GB amp will do 2 ohms.

babebambi · #3 07-27-2010, 06:16 PM

If your amp does 2 ohm, then your choices are
a) adding another 4 ohm cab that handle 500ish watt, best would be another D410T
b) adding another 8 ohm cab that handle 250ish watt, best would be a D210T

If your amp does 4 ohm, then you are stuck with what you have, or you would have to ditch the D410T.

amemoryahope · #4 07-27-2010, 08:04 PM

the amp will go down to a 2 ohm load which is why I'm really interested in adding another cab

hasbeen · #5 07-28-2010, 07:20 AM

the GBE600/750/1200's will do 2ohms without barely breathing.

amemoryahope · #6 07-28-2010, 03:03 PM

Right that's what I'm hoping to utilize.

Now this has always eluded me in understanding, the gbe 600 is putting out 425 watts at 4 ohms right now into my 4x10. If I add another 4 ohm cabinet the amp will put out 600 watts. How is the wattage distributed to both cabs? The 4x10 is rated for 500+ watts, do both cabs get the full 600 watts (unlikely...) or do they get an even split of 300 apiece?

Bassmec · #7 07-28-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by amemoryahope

Right that's what I'm hoping to utilize.

Now this has always eluded me in understanding, the gbe 600 is putting out 425 watts at 4 ohms right now into my 4x10. If I add another 4 ohm cabinet the amp will put out 600 watts. How is the wattage distributed to both cabs? The 4x10 is rated for 500+ watts, do both cabs get the full 600 watts (unlikely...) or do they get an even split of 300 apiece?

The wattage rating is not relevant as its got nothing to do with the distribution of power. the eden 2 x 10 had better be eight ohms impedance because if its four it will get twice as much power to each driver than the drivers in your eden 4 X 10.
Causing you to be limited by the fart out point of the 2 x 10 rather than a well balanced six by ten which has a far higher volume before symmetrical fart out.

Jaco who? · #8 07-28-2010, 03:43 PM

With two 4Ω cabs, your GBE600 will split the 600 watts to 300 watts per cab. With the 4Ω 4x10 you currently use, to keep from taxing the poor little 2x10 with the same amount of power as the 4x10, you would be much better off getting an 8Ω version. Yes, it will see a 2.67Ω load instead of a 2.00Ω load, but the output difference will be nil, and your drivers will all get equal amounts of wattage. Edit: Bassmec beat me to it.

Bassmec · #9 07-28-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaco who?

With two 4Ω cabs, your GBE600 will split the 600 watts to 300 watts per cab. With the 4Ω 4x10 you currently use, to keep from taxing the poor little 2x10 with the same amount of power as the 4x10, you would be much better off getting an 8Ω version. Yes, it will see a 2.67Ω load instead of a 2.00Ω load, but the output difference will be nil, and your drivers will all get equal amounts of wattage. Edit: Bassmec beat me to it.

But you filled in further info about two similar 4 X 10's absorbing 300 RMS each, best bang for the extra coupling of one more pair + the as you say tiny amount more power from the amp.
Eden 8X10 LXT will do for me but I have a thing about Altec alnico 15's in old 115 ampeg cabs that just wont go away either.

ErnieD · #10 07-29-2010, 12:50 AM

if you care to fill out your profile, there may be a TBer in your area that has such a cab up for sale/trade. Heck, I've got a couple older very good cond, Eden 210 cabs and I need to sell off at least one of em. One is an older D210T but it now has Em Deltalite 2510 II's and its an awesome 4 ohm 500 watt cab. The other is a stock 210xlt, 8 ohms.

I've owned GBE600 and GBE750 and I've used each 210 with my Eden 410xlt 4 ohm at times. Even used my Carvin B1500 with these 610's and they took it well.

Now I'm using a modded GB Neopak that'll do 2 ohms and at these lower watts either the 8 ohm or 4 ohm 210 with my 4 ohm 410 sounds good and does not tax this combination of speakers. When I've used the bigger amps in the past, to be safe I always used the 8 ohm, 210xlt with the 4 ohm, 410xlt, to disperse the power evenly among all drivers.

Oh and it sounded really awesome as 610's. These days I'm just down to using a single 410 or single GB 212, each does 4 ohms and I push about 500 watts into em and that works well for me right now. All the above have always been with active 5 string basses doing soul/funk or Tx Blues in 2 different bands and again, real sweet setups. Let us know how you go.

amemoryahope · #11 07-29-2010, 10:51 AM

Thanks for all the input.

So let me see if I'm understanding this correctly. If I had the 4ohm 4x10 and the 4ohm 2x10 both rated for 500 watts, the 2x10 gets more (twice as much per speaker/driver?) power than the 4x10? So in order to even out the load for all speakers/drivers an 8ohm 2x10 is suggested?

The main goal I am looking to achieve is portability so I don't have to lug the 4x10 everywhere I go to practice with my bandmates (I am extremely jealous of their small Fender Hot Rod Deluxe rigs...) The GBE 600 breakdown in power distribution is 274w at 8/ 425w at 4 / 625w at 2. Would I lose that much volume using an 8ohm 2x10 versus the 4ohm 2x10? Should I just rethink my entire rig if having this portability is important to me?

Datsgor · #12 07-29-2010, 10:57 AM

I have the Eden D410 T also (superb cabinet) and just scored the TC Electronics 2x10 to do exactly what you plan on doing.
I think that covers me pretty well. I am looking forward to checking out a 6x10 set up. It should be here next week.

amemoryahope · #13 07-29-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Datsgor

I have the Eden D410 T also (superb cabinet) and just scored the TC Electronics 2x10 to do exactly what you plan on doing.
I think that covers me pretty well. I am looking forward to checking out a 6x10 set up. It should be here next week.

Awesome you'll have to let me know how it sounds! what head are you using?

Datsgor · #14 07-29-2010, 02:09 PM

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Awesome you'll have to let me know how it sounds! what head are you using?

Normally, I have a Genz Benz 6.0. Lately I have been using the Walkabout. But over the next few weeks I will be using The Aguilar DB359 I just got. It has that deep , thick , chewy undertone that only tubes can get. I think 6 ten's should be brutal. Can't wait for the next gig.