Eden D210XST Needs Beano

GruntSplatter · #1 03-05-2011, 03:14 PM

I picked up a 500W D210XST4 a while back from a music store. I tried it out in the store at a moderately low volume. It seemed okay. I brought it home and ended up sticking it in a corner and letting it sit for a few months as my rig needs had changed. I decided to sell the cab the other day and hooked it up for a test run. You can't get on this thing at all. It farts on accents and low notes not allowing an increase in volume. At low volumes it sounds fine. I noticed there is a lot more cone movement by the right speaker than the left.

So, shame on me for not being more dilligent when checking the cab out in the first place. Too late for any recourse there. Looks like I either scrap the cab or think about replacements.

Here I was thinking of selling the cab and now I have to consider new speaks? What are Eden's EC-1060XS each, a couple hundred? If the cab is worth a new pair of speaks I'll do it. Kind of caught in a tough spot. I paid $400 for the cab just about six months ago.

Thanks

**mikeddd** · #2 03-05-2011, 03:19 PM

This is how I'm reading your situation; please correct me if I'm wrong.

You bought a cab without fully testing or checking it out.
Any return/exchange period is now passed.
You have determined there's a problem with the cab.
You understand you're screwed.
You want to fix said cab.

I'd contact both the place of purchase and Eden. Explain the situation. If somehow you can get original parts for a modest cost, then repair the cab and sell it with full disclosure (or keep it if it sounds great). If you cannot repair the cab for a reasonable price, then sorry, you've got firewood on your hands. Good luck.

GruntSplatter · #3 03-05-2011, 03:29 PM

Correct. Yes, I also forgot to mention it was a used cab. Thanks for the feedback. I'll probably replace the speakers as a pair. Better to take a hit and have it fixed than reduce it to firewood.

**mikeddd** · #4 03-05-2011, 03:34 PM

Oh, USED CAB. I didn't know that. Sorry to say that it looks like the previous owner was a dirtbag and purposely passed a bad cab on.

My two cents, friend; it's all about Return on Investment at this point. If I were you:

Forget the cab is an Epifani. Think of it as "a well-constucted cab, that has this many cubic feet of airspace and this big of a port (if applicable.). Find drivers that will work well with that info. Keep it or sell it with full disclosure. Damage control and ROE right now. Good luck.

Mike

GruntSplatter · #5 03-05-2011, 03:38 PM

Thanks again Mike!

**mikeddd** · #6 03-05-2011, 03:52 PM

You're welcome. I feel bad that you're in this position...that just sucks. I've been there and it's a really annoying thorn in your side when you realize "this thing isn't what it was advertised to be, nor what I paid for!" You can just be pissed off, or you can minimize the damage and try to make a little money back.

I've had THE WEIRDEST luck when it comes to used gear. Just to make you feel better, I'll tell you a really abbreviated story.

I bought a big-name PA stereo power amp, used. Normally, the street price is $1,200. I bought it from the orignal owner, who gave me his orignal sales receipt AND warranty confirmation email for $600. Holy crap...what a deal!!!

It arrived in the ORIGNAL BOX with the manual AND the previously described paperwork...this must be a dream.

Hooked it up. It's working. All crossover/limit/magic button switches work. Wow...great stuff. I turn it up.

Still working but...what's that noise? /careful listening....what the_fark_is_that_noise? I'm sure you have heard vibrations in the room you're playing in. Windows, furniture, pictures, things on shelves, vibrating at the same frequency of bass notes. That's called Sympathetic Vibration. Yeah. I had NO CLUE that an amplifier could have that problem. Let alone a REALLY EXPENSIVE amplifier.

Keep in mind that the amp I bought functioned perfectly. I tell you, 725 watts per channle at 8 ohms is a scary powerful amp. But noisy as hell when the thing vibrates like a coffee can full of screws rolled down a gravel covered hill.

Four months and a lot of time later, I figure out that the main circuit board is bouncing up and down on it's standoffs, in resonance to the notes I'm playing. I fixed it with about $5 worth of rubber feet/glue/etc.

Used Gear = Caveat Emptor. If the deal looks too good to be true, then it is.

will33 · #7 03-05-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GruntSplatter

I noticed there is a lot more cone movement by the right speaker than the left.

Right speaker is blown, it's just flopping around reacting to changes in air pressure made by the left speaker that is working.

craig.p · #8 03-05-2011, 05:01 PM

Right-o. And the still-working speaker is running in a completely mis-tuned cabinet now -- a cabinet with a vent AND a passive radiator (the blown speaker).

GruntSplatter · #9 03-05-2011, 05:12 PM

Interesting. That makes sense. Thanks.

WJGreer · #10 03-05-2011, 05:18 PM

Yeah, I've got two 210XST cabinets right now, and they are as stout as stones. They are about as low and loud as I've ever heard out of 210 cabinets. What you are describing sounds like a speaker problem to me.

will33 · #11 03-05-2011, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craig.p

Right-o. And the still-working speaker is running in a completely mis-tuned cabinet now -- a cabinet with a vent AND a passive radiator (the blown speaker).

+1

A badly tuned passive radiator at that not to mention the working single 10 is now operating in a box volume twice as big as it was designed to work in.

modulusman · #12 03-05-2011, 06:36 PM

Open up the cab and make sure that there isn't a wire that came off one of the speakers. I had a 210 xst with the same symptoms. When I took out the crossover plate and looked inside there was a only one wire on one of the speakers. Good old Eden quality control.

MuthaFunk · #13 03-06-2011, 07:31 AM

You might want to entertain re-coning the defective speaker to save some money.

vince a · #14 03-06-2011, 08:25 AM

. . . and the next time that you play thru it . . . get some foam earplugs and plug all holes in the back of the cabs that are not going to used! All 210XST cabs will fart if you don't do this . . . I have one - I know! One more thing, the 210xst is not a great stand alone amp, that's why I use it with a 212xlt! Both cabs are 4 ohm, and yes I run my amp at 2 ohms . . . and Eden WT550 (750 watts @ 2 ohms) is quite capable of doing just that all night long!!!

s_mcsleazy · #15 03-06-2011, 08:41 AM

beano?

like dennis the menace and the bash street kids?

HOW DOES THAT REFERE TO AMPS

WJGreer · #16 03-06-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by vince a

! One more thing, the 210xst is not a great stand alone amp

Why do you say this? I think the 210XST is a great stand alone cabinet, one of the best 210s ever.

GruntSplatter · #17 03-06-2011, 11:00 AM

I pulled the speakers. I have one 8ohm EC-1060XS. The blown one is an 8ohm EC-1060XL. Great... No option but to replace the XL.

The XL is sunken in and doesn't respond to the touch test. I question the XS because it looks like I have creasing around the cone edge. What do you think, to do it right, do them both? I have a recone and a replacement? I haven't seen any recone kits anywhere for the XS. Just for the XL. Maybe I'm stuck with two replacements...

dave2 · #18 03-06-2011, 01:04 PM

Are both speakers EC-1060XS as Eden says they should be?

D210XST specs from their website.

I have one of these cabs which sounds really good when paired with their 212XLT cab.

GruntSplatter · #19 03-06-2011, 01:53 PM

Two different speakers. One is an EC-1060XS and the other is an EC-1060XL. I tried to capture the writing in a picture, but was unsuccessful. Below the one on the left is the EC-1060XL.

TimboZ · #20 03-06-2011, 02:41 PM

Go over to the eden forum and ask if anyone has a driver for sale.

Just went to the fourm and it is down right now.