EDEN fans in the house? OPINIONS!

chad.planet · #1 07-31-2011, 04:37 PM

So, I currently have an SWR bass 350 (pre fender) matched with a goliath III.. After gigging with it and rehearsing a bunch, it's just not doing it for me.. I know I want the cab, it's full range and I really love the look, and I play a MM stingray. So those two I love.. I REALLY want an eden head. I was looking into the wtx 264, they have one here at a local shop and I want to go check it out. That or the wt 500 or any wt's.. For those who play eden amps, I was wondering in your opinion what would be a great match for the goliath?.. Opinions.. Ideas.. I LOVE the deep lows, boomy, but still tight. Kinda like dirk lance's sound on the old incubus albums, science and morning view.. I know he plays eden. Just want more info on their amps. I think an eden head with a swr 410 would be sweet. THANKS GUYS!

TomB · #2 07-31-2011, 05:44 PM

You can't go wrong w/a WT-series amp. I recall that there were some concerns w/the 800's in some recent vintages, but look for something pre-2005 or so and you're likely to find what you're looking for. Even a 300 or 400 will be adequate for any purpose as long as you have PA support for very large halls or outdoors. Eden heads and SWR cabs are a great combo... I've run many a night that way.

duff2 · #3 07-31-2011, 06:10 PM

Get yourself an old WT-400 or a WT-550. Put it together with an SWR Goliath III and prepared to be blown away. Eden heads and SWR cabinets go very well together IME. In fact, the reverse is true as well!

If you want to give it a shot, you can get the pretty close to the Eden tone out with your Bass 350. Just back the treble off to 9 o'clock, set the midrange to 300Hz and raise the level to about 6db (2 o'clock). If you use the aural enhancer, don't set it higher than 12 o'clock; 9 o'clock is the sweet spot for that control IMO. You may also want to bump up the bass control a few db if big bottom is your thang.

If the tone is still a little 'too sparkly' for you, try using the active input instead of the passive one. You may need to crank the gain to max and the aural enhancer to 12 o'clock if you are using a lower output passive bass in the active channel.

Best of luck finding the tone that rocks your boat!

Cheers,
Duff2

chad.planet · #4 07-31-2011, 06:24 PM

Yeah duff that's about what I have my settings at besides the aural enhancer.. How sensitive is that on this amp? I never really paid too much attention to it, just backed it off. The pre amps in my MM are insanely sensitive as well it's a beast of a bass and I love it, so I have a lot to work with but I still have a hard time.. It's just not a warm style amp in my opinion and swr in general. I don't feel like it blankets the room enough as i'd like.. Plus i'm always clipping my amp so I'm thinking a higher wattage amp too, or a power amp.. so I can have some head room. I really appreciate the advice guys, I'll go with the earlier years and start looking tom, thank.s oh and one more thing duff.. what would you set the frequency knob to..? That's another thing i'm not too sure of.

Lo-E · #5 07-31-2011, 06:34 PM

I agree with duff2 about going with a WT-400 or 550. The EQ sections on these amps are fantastic, IMO. Very powerful, though... a little goes a long way. It's very hard to get a bad sound out of these heads.

One thing to be aware of - and this is just my opinion and experience - the 'enhance' knob on an Eden WT is a must to avoid! Just pretend that knob isn't there and you'll get unbelievably great sounds out of that amp. Turn up the 'enhance knob at your own peril! They should have labeled it 'Poo'.

As I said; just my experience. Otherwise, those amps are outstanding.

E

millsbass5 · #6 07-31-2011, 06:47 PM

I've had/been using my pre-Gibson Tobias 5,along with my early-production Eden WT800,(2) XLT4X10 Cabs CONSISTENTLY,since the mid 90's. Never a hiccup one. I've wanted to move on to something else,"For the sake of gettin' some new gear."
So,in a nutshell?Yes,I want some new gear. But,damn!! My tone kicks ass as is.......
I get kinda jealous of members on here that change basses/rigs like I change socks. But,in reality,I guess I'm one of the lucky few. After all,there's not many on here that can say they've basically played thru the same setup for over 15 years,and be satisfied.

**IvanMike** · #7 07-31-2011, 06:51 PM

I think if you go eden, you're better off with the WT series tone section. It's very useful and sounds a lot fatter than SWR. I used a eden wt-400 for a long time with an old goliath cab (actually a goliath "1" made by eden, but they sounded pretty much identical to the goliath 2 and the eden 410t)

duff2 · #8 07-31-2011, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chad.planet

Yeah duff that's about what I have my settings at besides the aural enhancer.. How sensitive is that on this amp? I never really paid too much attention to it, just backed it off. The pre amps in my MM are insanely sensitive as well it's a beast of a bass and I love it, so I have a lot to work with but I still have a hard time.. It's just not a warm style amp in my opinion and swr in general. I don't feel like it blankets the room enough as i'd like.. Plus i'm always clipping my amp so I'm thinking a higher wattage amp too, or a power amp.. so I can have some head room. I really appreciate the advice guys, I'll go with the earlier years and start looking tom, thank.s oh and one more thing duff.. what would you set the frequency knob to..? That's another thing i'm not too sure of.

Set the midrange frequency control to 300 Hz and raise the level up by 6-8 db. That should put a little more oomph in your sound, especially if your bass is a MM stingray.

BTW, MM basses sound amazing through an Eden amp.

+1 to Lo-E's comment on the Eden enhance control. Best to leave it off, especially on stage.

Cheers,
Duff2

DeltaPhoenix · #9 07-31-2011, 07:19 PM

I love my WT-400

Session1969 · #10 08-01-2011, 01:13 PM

Eden all the way. Get the wt-405 if you can find one because it has the best features for playing live. Tuner mute, pre/post eq for the direct out. I have a wt-400 and it's great too.

HolmeBass · #11 08-01-2011, 02:18 PM

I just played some bigger stages with my Metro, and the Eden sound truly is outstanding. Amidst a sea of Ampeg my tone and sound stood out and garnered a number of compliments from the crew, engineers, and other players in the audience. Win! I'd stick with WT as well, the Eden class D amps sound great, but are not very loud.

MysticMichael · #12 08-01-2011, 02:49 PM

My suggestion: Get an Eden Nemesis RS-700. They've been discontinued for a couple years now, but you can still get a brand new one at this bass shop in L.A., named The Bass Exchange:

Nemesis RS-700

It's virtually the same as the new Eden WTB700 - only several hundred dollars less expensive:

Eden WTB700

I recently picked up a Nemesis RS-700 - in mint condition - here on the TalkBass aftermarket, and I love it! Will handle a 2-ohm load @ 700 watts (a 4-ohm load @ 550 watts), great pro features & functions, and has that same great Eden tone mojo. Some players actually prefer the Nemesis heads to the Eden heads, and I can see why.

MM

bassteban · #13 08-01-2011, 03:08 PM

LOVED the CXC-110(WT-330=1x10 combo)I had once, never cared for the SWR(350 & 750)I tried. Didn't really like the WT-400 I had, not like the 330. FWIW I abhor mid-scoop, tending to boost mids.

Rockin Mike · #14 08-01-2011, 03:18 PM

I have a recent model WT550. Works great despite not being american made.
For me the make-or-break feature is the 3-band semi-parametric EQ found on the WT800, WT550, WTX1000N and the WP100 Navigator.

If I had to do it over again I might get the WP100 Navigator (it's just a preamp) or their stomp box preamp (WTDI) because after all, a power amp is a power amp.

You might want to keep your SWR and try it together with the Eden. I stack an SWR Redhead on top of my Eden rig and it makes good sound.

chad.planet · #15 08-02-2011, 05:27 PM

Appreciate the responses! I'm loving it. So I went in to my local boutique shop and got to actually play through the 1000 watt version of the terror bass which might I add compared to the wtx 264 (yes they have one at guitarczar) It was sweet. Little more middy but I liked... But good god the prices.. i think I'm in a new direction now. I stumbled upon the above mentioned wtdi by eden, the pedal.. Then I stumbled across the wp 100 navigator.. Was set, did my research, apparently they all have problems with two of the DI's completely not working and the level of the main output decreasing heavily without warning on multiple users equipment.. Ditched that idea, I had always loved the thought of sansamp, the tech 21 bass di/preamp pedal.. then stumbled across their RBI bass preamp/emulator, the rackmountable one.. so far.. looks awesome I really want to snag one. I would appreciate feedback on anyone who has tried one, or know of any GREAT preamps for around the same price, or just great preamps.. Thank you!

Rockmusician · #16 08-03-2011, 04:41 AM

I currently have a GK 1001RB-II, 410RBH and 115RBH. I have enjoyed using it but it seems that every time I hear a bass player who has the sound that I want, they are playing through an Eden rig. My GK set up is being sold this afternoon and I plan on buying an Eden WT800 and several Eden cabs.

Morning Beer · #17 08-03-2011, 04:47 AM

I've had a metro,wt800, and a wtx500. I think your better off with Eden bigger heads compared to the micros, the wtx sounded good but is was missing something.If you go Eden I would stay with the WT series. I currently play an MB fusion and couldn't be happier.

diegoholyshize! · #18 08-03-2011, 05:29 AM

you might be looking at too low of watts if you're going to be playing loud with only 1 4x10 at 250 watts.

chad.planet · #19 08-03-2011, 09:23 PM

I know, the cab's rated for 700 watts and trust me I want to push it, I need the moneys. selling the subwoofer in my car today, that'll pay for half of the WT 800 i'm probably going to buy at the local shop. thanks for the advice, and tom, get off my back dude! I post something on here but once in a blue moon, and by god i'm going to make the most of my post! Yeah, I'm also a renowned lyricologist.

sayman · #20 08-03-2011, 09:27 PM

Play through a Metro myself. Good amp, plenty of power. I did have some issues where I blew out one of the speakers, and no, I never dialed the volume past 3-4, tops.

Eden was good enough to send me a new speaker, but blew that one too. When I got it repaired, I was told the amp was overpowered for the 4 ohm speakers it came with. They replaced them with 8 ohm and I haven't had a problem since.