Eden WTX264 and 112

SteveC · #1 07-25-2010, 05:30 AM

I did some searching for info on this, but didn't find much. I tried one today at the store and thought it sounded pretty nice and loud considering. A little warmer than my Genz Benz.

Anyone using this head, cab or both? Thoughts? I liked the sound but am not sure. I had - and loved - an Eden rig but a bad CS issue sent me looking. GB is so great, but I always seem to be wanting something different and the Eden might be it. I have been a vigorous GB supporter - still am - but I liked the tone with the Eden.

Thoughts?

CrashClint · #2 07-25-2010, 07:24 AM

I use one of the WTX260 with a Epifani UL410. I also have a the GB shuttle 6.0. I actually prefer the tone of the WTX it seems to have a nicer sounding low end to me and all around cleaner sounding tone. It has nice mids but can't get that mid grit like the GB. I have split the my signal and powered my UL 410 with GB and used the WTX with my UL 210 as my monitor.

SteveC · #3 07-25-2010, 08:49 AM

Yeah, the mids aren't quite as strong. I wonder if you could get swallowed up in the mix because of that? I hope to try the WTX264 and 112 at a gig this week and A/B it with my 6.0-12T combo.

bobcruz · #4 07-25-2010, 11:38 AM

You won't lack any mids if you use an Eden 112, since that's their strong point. I like the voicing of the WTX260 but keep in mind it's only 100-something watts into an 8-ohm cab like the 112, so it will only get you so far. A pair of 112s stacked vertically to get the sound up closer to your ears and a 4-ohm load to get full power from the head works for me in many situations. Plus it fills in the low end somewhat which the 112s otherwise lack.

SteveC · #5 07-25-2010, 01:27 PM

The cab I'm looking at is a 4 ohm 300 watt 112 that "goes with" the WTX 264 head, which is a 300 watt at 4 ohm head. I'm tempted, but will have to wait until the Sadowsky gets here before I do an A/B of the two rigs.

Mo_Fonk · #6 11-18-2010, 06:58 AM

I bought one of these on ebay yesterday. The gig rig, I guess they call it. I got it with the 110 and amp gig bag. I dont see how I can go wrong with a 300 watt 4ohm 110 cab that draws full power from amp. Looks so sexy to

staccatogrowl · #7 11-18-2010, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bobcruz

You won't lack any mids if you use an Eden 112, since that's their strong point. . .

I think the new EX112 is what some may be curious about . . . It's entirely different than the D112XLT . . .

http://www.eden-electronics.com/prod...ries/ex112.asp

That would be an excellent match for the WTX 264. I played one through the EX110, and it was very sweet. For me, it would work for rotating practice, coffee houses, etc. Not groundbreaking technology, but very sweet sounding just the same. My current practice/small gig cab is a D210XST 4ohm. 4 flights of stairs at some places makes me think the EX110/112 could be a good solution for me.

Slaine01 · #8 01-04-2011, 02:02 PM

Just bought the Eden EX112 to use with my Eden WTX500.
The EX112 sounds waaaaay less mid-bitey than the older Eden D112XLT cab.
Looking to get a "Cradle" from Genz Benz" (as they use in their Shuttle Series to attach their amp to their cab) so I can make this rig a one handed lift permanent combo - sweeeeeeet

perkidan · #9 01-04-2011, 09:11 PM

Hey Slaine, does the EX112 handle the power of the WTX500 alright? I just got one of those heads and it sounds pretty interesting.

Slaine01 · #10 01-05-2011, 12:03 AM

Handles it nicely on my 4 string, haven't tried it with a 5 string yet, the amp clips before I hear anything bad coming from the cab. (I do use the Bass boost and take the Enhance to 9:00 for a slap sound I like - and have the gain at 12:00 and the master at 11:00ish, compressor off and bass clicked an extra notch to 1:00 = why I get the amp to clip sometimes..lol). But I run the Sadowsky flat.
Cab sounds way better to me than my older D112XLT's - I use to run 2 of them but the mid bite on them was just too much and I went back to my 210XST's and havent been happier.
Kinda sounds like a 112XLT with out the honk and a little extra bottom end thrown in.

*One thing though - it doesnt come with speakons only a jack in socket??????

go figure in this day and age? and its single input only so I cant link 2 of them.

Budder84 · #11 01-05-2011, 04:19 PM

I play a wtx500 through and epi ul112 or 410 depending on the gig size. I've tried several times to move away from this head to something non micro because I guess I'm still fooled by it's appearance. I must honestly say it's the best sounding head I've played and unloaded an epi ul502 and wt800 because of it. It just sounds so sweet through epi cabs. AND on top of all of that, it fits in my gig bag! I've literally been able to walk to some local gigs and have never had an issue with volume. I essentially set the levels flat with the enhance at about 10 o'clock and am ready to groove. Goodluck

staccatogrowl · #12 01-05-2011, 04:56 PM

Purchased an EX 112 from Amazon for $249, USD just before Christmas.

Initial impressions: light enough to carry comfortably . . . 4 ohm 12" pressed steel coax speaker . . . 5/8" sheet laminate cabinet . . . Well braced interior. . . Front ported . . . Chinese made . . .

Used at a band practice . . . Easy to carry on long flight of stairs . . . Easy to setup . . . Used with a Clarus 2r series III micro head that produces 400 watts at 4 ohms . . . No PA support for trio of amplified instruments . . . Sound cut through fine in the small room . . . Low B string was balanced with other strings . . . No speaker flapping or distortion . . .

Cabinet is targeted by Eden with the following statement: "This cabinet is perfect for studio work, praise & worship bands, jazz combos and practice." I concur with their statement. This is exactly my use for this cabinet. I am therefore very happy.

For other gigs, I have several other large Eden cabinets that I have used for years, that I continue to be quite pleased with. For those gigs I use a racked WT405.

SteveC · #13 01-05-2011, 07:39 PM

I haven't tried this rig for a while. I may go and try again, along with that new Yamaha powered wedge. I am still debating the shuttle 3.0-10t and extension as well.

Interceptor · #14 01-05-2011, 10:19 PM

Very interesting!

I've got to drive over to Milwaukee and give the 264 and the ex 112 a whirl.

My rig needs are jazz combo and church. I'm also very interested in hearing Steve's take on the Eden lil' gig pairing.

I'm happy to see rigs being marketed to us who play jazz combo and / or low volume church work.

Jim

steve_rolfeca · #15 01-05-2011, 10:50 PM

I can't comment on the cab, but I have the ENX260 version of the head. Eden has played around with various combinations of pull-pot switches on the front panel, with the ENX variant having the fewest features enabled, the WTX264 being in the middle, and the WTX260 having the most.

Set flat, the tone is very warm and round. It can hide in a mix a bit, but the EQ is nicely voiced and very flexible, so getting yourself up front is no problem. A little EQ seems to go a long way with this head- literally one line up or down on the midrange knob is often enough to get me where I need to be.

It has a decent amount of headroom if you keep the gain low, and let the master volume do the heavy lifting. The master is very linear, and you don't have to afraid of diming the output. However, if you run the master low and push the gain too far, the compressor and the built-in limiters will squash your signal flatter than a bedbug.

The Exciter function sounds better than the one on my old SWR Studio 220, but I don't use it much. I like the pull-for-bass-boost function in quiet settings, although it can eat up your headroom pretty quickly if you overdo it. There are lots of gozintas and gozoutas, and it makes a pretty good "swiss army knife" to stuff in your gig bag. Good DI, sounds OK with instruments other than bass, etc.

The only real foible I've found, is a noisy mute switch. Depending on the master volume setting, it can give you anything from a mild click to a rather nasty thump, through both the speaker and DI outputs. Doesn't really bother me, I'm not used to having a mute switch anyway.

SteveC · #16 01-06-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

It has a decent amount of headroom if you keep the gain low, and let the master volume do the heavy lifting. The master is very linear, and you don't have to afraid of diming the output. However, if you run the master low and push the gain too far, the compressor and the built-in limiters will squash your signal flatter than a bedbug.

Interesting. Most of the time when setting your gain structure you would set the Gain as high as possible and then run the Master where needed. Hmm...I'll have to remember that when I try it again.