Eminence 3010?

majortoby · #1 02-14-2013, 08:09 PM

So, I don't hear much chatter about the new 3010 series speaker drivers. The lf looks beastly, but it's insensitivity and cost render it a niche item, IMO. meanwhile, the mb and ho look amazing, except the lowend rolloff looks a touch steep. Am I missing something, or are the newest, smallest kappalites just not all that useful for bg? :/

**CL400Peavey** · #2 02-14-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by majortoby

So, I don't hear much chatter about the new 3010 series speaker drivers. The lf looks beastly, but it's insensitivity and cost render it a niche item, IMO. meanwhile, the mb and ho look amazing, except the lowend rolloff looks a touch steep. Am I missing something, or are the newest, smallest kappalites just not all that useful for bg? :/

You nailed it calling them a niche item.

majortoby · #3 02-14-2013, 08:49 PM

However, two LF and two HO would make one SICK 410

majortoby · #4 02-14-2013, 08:51 PM

On second thought, I'd wanna use four LF and two HO for a 610. I forgot the massive discrepancy in sensitivity.

iualum · #5 02-15-2013, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by majortoby

On second thought, I'd wanna use four LF and two HO for a 610. I forgot the massive discrepancy in sensitivity.

If you're set on a 610, & nothing but a 610 will satisfy you, O.K. Sure it'd be a fine box. Not an inexpensive one, though, although that's no one's biz but your own.

But im(very)ho, the 2x15/2x6.5 monster w/3015LFs & 6ND410s will provide all that you'd ever need for ~2/3 the price. It'd be smaller & lighter as well.

Or even two 215s w/2515s (they're on sale through 2/28, maybe ~$150 from USSpeaker), each box with maybe either a single 6ND410/M5N8-80, or a D220Ti high frequency & HM25-25 horn. You'd need a 2-ohm capable amp going this way, of course. Or a pre/power set-up.

**CL400Peavey** · #6 02-15-2013, 06:14 AM

I doubt you will see 3010's widely used. They are for people that want a very specific tone profile in a specific form factor (fEARless 210 for example). Not for every one, and thats ok.

It really comes down to economy. The 3010LF and the 3015LF cost the same. For what you would spend to anything with the 10s, you could do way more with the 15 for the same price.

Arjank · #7 02-15-2013, 06:19 AM

The LF version is really not usable above 200hz or so. Allthough it's xmax is impressive, I would not use it because of it's limited bandwidth.
The MB is more usable be it that the Qes is very low making it only usable for 4-string basses, low B is not it's territory.

Better alternatives are the Beyma 10G40 or the Oberton 10200(that I use in my design), both drivers offer a good balance between bass and mid response in a compact ported enclosure.

**CL400Peavey** · #8 02-15-2013, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Arjank

The LF version is really not usable above 200hz or so. Allthough it's xmax is impressive, I would not use it because of it's limited bandwidth.
The MB is more usable be it that the Qes is very low making it only usable for 4-string basses, low B is not it's territory.

Better alternatives are the Beyma 10G40 or the Oberton 10200(that I use in my design), both drivers offer a good balance between bass and mid response in a compact ported enclosure.

The LF is a fine driver if you are crossing it over to the right mid. But its really only going to appeal to a very narrow crowd.

Matthijs · #9 02-15-2013, 06:28 AM

As a extremely small but loud lightweight 1*10 it would do pretty good and the price would not be that much of a problem for just the one speaker. I wonder how it would sound, the voicing seems different compared to the bigger kappa's and the other neo's.

**CL400Peavey** · #10 02-15-2013, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthijs

As a extremely small but loud lightweight 1*10 it would do pretty good and the price would not be that much of a problem for just the one speaker. I wonder how it would sound, the voicing seems different compared to the bigger kappa's and the other neo's.

The 3010lf can be pushed to about the SPL of a standard 210. When you consider it costs the same as the 3015LF which can be pushed much much louder, you better really want that 110 form factor.

Im all about smaller, but my wallet tries to talk sense to me.

Matthijs · #11 02-15-2013, 06:43 AM

I have that problem with talking wallets too

I was thinking of the ho version though for a small 1*10 for double bass. Could be a fun project. The frequency range should be ok, I'm puzzled by the 300hz dip though.

wcriley · #12 02-15-2013, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by majortoby

On second thought, I'd wanna use four LF and two HO for a 610.

Might be an interesting thought/fantasy, but look at the cost of building such a cab.

Around $800 for the LFs, then add the HOs (not sure on the price of them), crossover components, box construction and hardware.

Hardly seems worthwhile.

**CL400Peavey** · #13 02-15-2013, 06:54 AM

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Might be an interesting thought/fantasy, but look at the cost of building such a cab.

Around $800 for the LFs, then add the HOs (not sure on the price of them), crossover components, box construction and hardware.

Hardly seems worthwhile.

When I win the lotto I'm going to have such a cab design commissioned from greenboy. Then have one of his builders do it up, and send it to you.

Make your sons carry it.

Arjank · #14 02-15-2013, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

The LF is a fine driver if you are crossing it over to the right mid. But its really only going to appeal to a very narrow crowd.

It has a destructive resonance around 400hz, so you really can't cross it any higher then 250 - 300hz(also see the impedance bump around 300hz, that's a resonance artifact) if you want tight mids. 2nd, you need a mid that you can cross pretty low and a costly passive crossover to cross that low....IMO only suitable with an active crossover or DSP. Such an expensive driver should do a system justice, so do not use it above 250hz else it's not worth to use it.

It's a great candidate for a compact highpower(active) sub from 40-200hz.

Arjank · #15 02-15-2013, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthijs

I'm puzzled by the 300hz dip though.

See impedancecurve, resonance artifact at 400hz.
This is probably caused by the suspension.

Matthijs · #16 02-15-2013, 07:10 AM

The effect is smallest for the HO version and might be unnoticable. I'd like to hear somebody who has actually tried it as a full range bass driver.

Arjank · #17 02-15-2013, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthijs

The effect is smallest for the HO version and might be unnoticable. I'd like to hear somebody who has actually tried it as a full range bass driver.

The MD version is IMO the best of the bunch, though it also has an artifact around 400hz(like the HO), it's overal response (and response around the resonance artifact) is smoother.

majortoby · #18 02-15-2013, 07:33 AM

What a thoughtful and intelligent discussion

I'm totally glad I asked. BTW, everything I discuss in this thread is purely hypothetical...I too am turned off by the performance per dollar factor

iualum · #19 02-15-2013, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by majortoby

What a thoughtful and intelligent discussion

I'm totally glad I asked. BTW, everything I discuss in this thread is purely hypothetical...I too am turned off by the performance per dollar factor

There's really not much to be turned off by a 2x15 (with or without a HF), or 2x15/2x6.5 regarding performance/$ (using 3015s, 3015LFs, 15PR400s, even 2515s). Actually, there's a lot to be turned on by them in comparison to the hypothetical 610, or any other configuration.

If the bread you were talking about for the 610 isn't what you were really thinking about, though, then sure. But when it truly comes to bang for the buck, some 215 configuration is as good as it gets, I think.

majortoby · #20 02-15-2013, 08:29 AM

Which is why I'm building myself a 3015 box soon