Epifani UL610 or aguilar gs412?

[bassistloaded21]

Im looking at both of these. The 610 with the UL501 or the GS412 with the TH500. I go for a thick but defined tone, dont really want it to be super bright, but not super buried also. I play in a 3 piece rock/funk band. I cant really try these out so your opinions would be appreciated.

[bassistloaded21]

BTW, I play a Lakland 55-02.

[Thombas]

Hey, I havn't played either the 501 or the 610, but had the 502 and a UL310 at a point. Too mid-scooped when you put them together, to my liking anyway. I've owned and gigged the GS412, and really liked it. The tone goal you describe is pretty much what the GS412 is all about, IMO. Phat, but still defined. I used it with a Markbass SD1200, which was total overkill but great fun, I've tried it with a Markbass F1, which was a seriuosly good combination, and with a UL502, which sounded really great, but didn't give me the edge I needed for that particular gig. The GS id heavier than the UL610, but surprisingly easy to haul around too. Hope it helps a little, even though again, I have no experience with the UL610.

[mustbampeg]

Originally Posted by bassistloaded21

Im looking at both of these. The 610 with the UL501 or the GS412 with the TH500. I go for a thick but defined tone, dont really want it to be super bright, but not super buried also. I play in a 3 piece rock/funk band. I cant really try these out so your opinions would be appreciated.

I'm not terribly familiar with either of those cabs, but ill say this based on the description of tone your aiming for: get a sealed cab (preferably tweeter-less). Speaker size is irrelevant to tone. If its not loud enough, add more of the same cab. For me personally, I find ported cabs to be too.... Flabby, is a good way to put it, I guess. I can get a decent tone, but I usually end up dialing out most of the low end trying to get rid of the boominess. I never had that issue with my sealed 810.

My .02

Randy

[bassistloaded21]

anyone else

[portraitoftracy]

GS 412 will kill anything

[gravesbass]

The GS412 cab is a great cab. I will never move mine and its a backup.

[bassistloaded21]

Does the GS412 get the more modern tone or the more vintage clean tone?

[lo-freq]

I'd actually prefer the DB412 -- better low-mids & midrange than the GS412 and also, better upper-mids and tighter low-end than the UL610.

[Thombas]

Originally Posted by lo-freq

I'd actually prefer the DB412 -- better low-mids & midrange than the GS412 and also, better upper-mids and tighter low-end than the UL610.

True. But IMO and IME, the GS412 is still less scooped and mid-shy than some of the other GS cabs.

[Thombas]

Originally Posted by mustbampeg

I'm not terribly familiar with either of those cabs, but ill say this based on the description of tone your aiming for: get a sealed cab (preferably tweeter-less). Speaker size is irrelevant to tone. If its not loud enough, add more of the same cab. For me personally, I find ported cabs to be too.... Flabby, is a good way to put it, I guess. I can get a decent tone, but I usually end up dialing out most of the low end trying to get rid of the boominess. I never had that issue with my sealed 810.

My .02

Randy

Have you tried the GS412? "Flabby" does definitely not come to mind IME.

[bassistloaded21]

Im leaning towards the UL610. I used to have a UL410, and i loved the tone, but got rid of it for money reasons. Can i expect most of the same tone that I got out of the ul610? Im looking for clean but thick and clear. The gs412 seems to be more of a rounder deep tone compared to the ul610(ul410 in my experience)

[bassistloaded21]

Any other opinions?

[dominic54321]

I recently had, and sold an Epifani NYC610. Although I gigged with a UL410 for 2 years and loved it, the NYC610 just wasn't my thing with my fender Jazz basses. I like a clear modern tone with good low mids and highs mids to cut through but also I like some bottom. Basically a well rounded modern tone that can be felt, heard and cuts. The 610's mids were a little to 'barky' for me. Maybe it was the shuttle 9.0 combination? I just recently picked up a GS412 and it seems to be much more well rounded of a bass cab, with a little EQ, I can get a wide variety of tones with the shuttle or db750. It has great low end extension, very warm(non harsh) mids, and I really like the height(hits you in the back) and depth(easier to move/fit in tight spaces). It actually reminds me alot like the Bergantino NV215 I had a few years backNot as tight as the Berg, but it has that inherent tone, extension, and warmth. The NV215 was another awesome 'all around' cab, IMO.

[bassistloaded21]

That kinda confirms what i was thinking, that the mids in the UL610 would be too forward. IM thinking the 412 will getan overall rounder tone....

[dominic54321]

For what you're after, I think the the GS412 fits the bill. The 610 was a great cab, it just had that 'epifani' high mid tone that goes great with some amps/basses, and not so great with others. i'd definitely try one before you buy, if you could. I've gigged with 2xul112's, 2xul310's, a ul410, and recently the nyc610. What I realized is that Epifani cabs have their own signature tone built in. I do know they sound phenomenal with the Epifani amps. The ul410/ul501 was my second favorite lightweight rig, I used it for 2 years! Number one is the shuttle 9.0/Berg ae410. Another thing I realized is that they sound best when pushing a good amount of air through them, that's when they seem to hit that 'sweet spot'. Of course, all of this is just my opinion in using them in real world situations in thick/loud mixes.

[Dr Funk]

I gig the UL-610 on 95% of my gigs. It does not play well with my S9.0 which loves my UL212. The UL610 is not mid heavy at all. It is bigger and rounder than my UL410s. With my WT1205 or WT800 bridged it is thick, smooth, warm, ground shaking bliss, definitely my favorites with the UL610. The Carvin B2000 also sounds incredible with the UL610. The Epi UL502 and UL902 not so much (sorry Nick) they just were not thick enough for my tastes. My UL610 weighs 73 pounds. How much does the Aggie 412 weigh?

[Jim Carr]

Originally Posted by bassistloaded21

That kinda confirms what i was thinking, that the mids in the UL610 would be too forward. IM thinking the 412 will getan overall rounder tone....

Honestly, the GS412 and Epifani UL series are hi-fi and rugged enough to allow any kind of tone you want.

Have you considered a 4 ohm 410 + an 8 ohm 210, both with the same drivers/ builder?

This kills, even more so with my Mesa M9 Carbine. The 210 shown is an NYC. I now also have a ul1 210 that matches the ul1 410. voila, UL1 610, haha! It fits in vehicles more easily, and give 3 possible rigs with a 2 ohm capable head.

[bassistloaded21]

NO interest in a 210 410 setup, one cab for me

[andrew]

Originally Posted by Dr Funk

How much does the Aggie 412 weigh?

116 lbs., not bad at all.