fEarful 15/6 Mods??

4-stringB · #1 11-17-2011, 04:49 AM

I'm contemplating building two 15/6 cabs with 15s only, similar to 15 subs. This is primarily for height purposes(I'm 6'1"), as I think stands and milk crates are really dorky on stage. Would I have to compensate for the mid chamber and waveguide volume. or is the design stretchable enough to accomodate this??...TNX..

rpsands · #2 11-17-2011, 04:58 AM

I'd just build it to specs and plug the mid hole with something cool looking. Gives you the option to add them in the futur e

Lonnybass · #3 11-17-2011, 07:13 AM

Not quite sure why you'd want to try to modify this design for height purposes. I just built two 15/6/1s and I am 6'5". The way those cabinets are designed and crossed over, two 15s without any mid might be the express train to mud city.

Lonnybass

domestique · #4 11-17-2011, 07:58 AM

I wouldn't modify

BurningSkies · #5 11-17-2011, 08:07 AM

Two 15 subs and nothing above 800hz?

rad bassman · #6 11-17-2011, 08:26 AM

if height is the issue (concern that the stack will be too tall) go for a 15sub + 15/6, another option could be 2 x 15subs (stacked on their sides) + a head case, dont just miss out the 6" driver, thats where your clarity and definition comes from, maybe miss out the horn driver, its surprising how much top end comes through the 6" driver, but some would not be without the tweeter

tom-g · #7 11-17-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lonnybass

Not quite sure why you'd want to try to modify this design for height purposes. I just built two 15/6/1s and I am 6'5". The way those cabinets are designed and crossed over, two 15s without any mid might be the express train to mud city.

Lonnybass

+1
I'm 6'4" and use one 15/6 with no problem at all of being heard and hearing myself. Sometimes I have to stand real close to my cab.

Toastfuzz · #8 11-17-2011, 08:47 AM

Ummm... 2 15/6's stacked either vertically or on their side, whichever height suits you?

will33 · #9 11-17-2011, 09:02 AM

You need one 6 in there for harmonics and a sense of pitch. You could run one with two 15's and even pad it back a little to bias the rig toward the low end but the 15's only will be mud in a mix. Even something like a P with flats has content above 800hz.

Joe Louvar · #10 11-17-2011, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-stringB

I'm contemplating building two 15/6 cabs with 15s only, similar to 15 subs. This is primarily for height purposes(I'm 6'1"), as I think stands and milk crates are really dorky on stage. Would I have to compensate for the mid chamber and waveguide volume. or is the design stretchable enough to accomodate this??...TNX..

I was thinking about the same thing so I was looking at two fEARful 15subs (115s) - with no 6, tweeter, or crossover to worry about blowing plus personally I like the sound of 15s by themselves. I want 3015lf drivers but when I asked about the fEARful 15subs in a fEARful thread here they told me (more or less) to look at different enclosures for this. I’m still window shopping too - so good luck.

Passinwind · #11 11-17-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe Louvar

I was thinking about the same thing so I was looking at two fEARful 15subs (115s) - with no 6, tweeter, or crossover to worry about blowing plus personally I like the sound of 15s by themselves. I want 3015lf drivers but when I asked about the fEARful 15subs in a fEARful thread here they told me (more or less) to look at different enclosures for this.

Actually, they told you to look at both a different 15 and a different enclosure. The 3015LF just on its own does not sound good at all to very many people for electric bass.

Joe Louvar · #12 11-17-2011, 12:37 PM

Yeah it was something like that, I think I asked in the fEARful #13 thread - anyway, thanks.

rpsands · #13 11-17-2011, 12:41 PM

I think there is a large group of people who would like the 15/sub standalone with GB's low pass on it.

rad bassman · #14 11-17-2011, 04:55 PM

a 15 sub on its own without the crossover isnt too nice tbh, the 3015LF has a nasty 2khz bump, rolls off quite steaply after that, i know this because ive tried it when i was waiting for delivery of my x-over components, a 15sub with the low pass crossover installed is very wooly on its own, IMO it does need some top end with it give a decent bass guitar tone, the fEARfuls are designed to be 2 or 3 way set ups, using LF drivers alone will just give you lows, something i have learned through building my fearful is that what you hear is far more than the fundamental frequency of the note you play,,, look up the waterfall plot in the FAQ's, a very educational read IMO.

Joe Louvar · #15 11-17-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rad bassman

a 15 sub on its own without the crossover isnt too nice tbh, the 3015LF has a nasty 2khz bump, rolls off quite steaply after that, i know this because ive tried it when i was waiting for delivery of my x-over components, a 15sub with the low pass crossover installed is very wooly on its own, IMO it does need some top end with it give a decent bass guitar tone, the fEARfuls are designed to be 2 or 3 way set ups, using LF drivers alone will just give you lows, something i have learned through building my fearful is that what you hear is far more than the fundamental frequency of the note you play,,, look up the waterfall plot in the FAQ's, a very educational read IMO.

On the other hand there are some of us bassist who like standalone 15s or 215s and think 15s with a 6, tweeter, and crossover to worry about blowing sucks and sounds like crap. Do you want bass or 3-way PA speaker - anyway, to each their own!!!

brendanbassist · #16 11-17-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Louvar

On the other hand there are some of us bassist who like standalone 15s or 215s and think 15s with a 6, tweeter, and crossover to worry about blowing sucks and sounds like crap. Do you want bass or 3-way PA speaker - anyway, to each their own!!!

The 3015lf is NOT a "standalone 15", it is a subwoofer. You won't blow any of the components in a fEarful cab unless you try to.

rad bassman · #17 11-17-2011, 05:27 PM

totally agree, each to their own, but if i were looking for a stadalone 1x15 i wouldnt use a LF driver, maybe the standard 3015 driver in a cab designed for it would be a better way to go.

as for the x-over or 6" blowing... most unlikely i think, the CBG designs are highly rated components, and the crossover frequency protects the 6" driver from those harmful lows.

As for the

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Do you want bass or 3-way PA speaker

, a fEARful is definately a bass cab, a 2 or 3 way cab with extended response in the lows and the highs, as you say tho, each to their own.

Windreaper · #18 11-17-2011, 05:30 PM

The specified 3015LF is no good without a mid.

If you want a standalone 1x15, use the regular 3015, problem solved (it is also a pretty amazing driver). Won't need such a large box with the 3015, though. You could download TL-606 plans and scale the design down a bit (plus recalculate for 1/2" ply if you care about weight).

rad bassman · #19 11-17-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Windreaper

The specified 3015LF is no good without a mid.

thats exactly what i was trying to say, unless you want a PA subwoofer, they work well in this application too

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Originally Posted by Windreaper

If you want a standalone 1x15, use the regular 3015, problem solved (it is also a pretty amazing driver). Won't need such a large box with the 3015, though. You could download TL-606 plans and scale the design down a bit (plus recalculate for 1/2" ply if you care about weight).

+1

Joe Louvar · #20 11-17-2011, 06:27 PM

Ok thank you for the 3015lf vs. 3015 info. But the point still is the same - there are some of us bassist who like standalone 15s or 215s and don’t want a 15/6/1, 1515/66/1 or whatever.

Anyway 4-stringB, they're saying the fEARful 15 by itself is MUD - so good luck.