Fearful cab, and the long quest after a cab.

[edgaroviz]

I saw a lot of Fearful threads lately, and looked through them.
People say that the 15/6 will beat any 8x10, I'm looking into the Ampeg 8x10.

Then I thought to myself "wouldn't it be cool to build a cab?", so I might do it, and it'll be the 1515\66, but I have some problems, and questions.

There's not way in hell that I'll find in my country Eminence speakers, so I'll have to buy them from the states, or the UK.
This question is probably going to piss every Fearful fan off, but my friend imports 18sound stuff, and he builds cabs.
Is there an 18sound speaker than I can use, just so I won't have to buy 2x15" Eminence speakers, and send them here?

Because the 1515\66 speakers are all 8ohms, and there are 2 of each, it gets down to 4 ohms, but only one horn is 8ohm. So if understand it correctly, I have to put in 2 horns?

Since it's going to cost about the same as buying a 8x10 Ampeg, I think I'll get much more bang for the buck with a Fearful cab. Am I right, or should I just go for the Ampeg?

[Rune Bivrin]

I think you should start by entering your location in your profile. That goes a long way towards helping out with gear acquisition questions.

Now, I have to ask why in the name of everything holy would you build a 1515/66? Why not two 15/6? Much more versatile and easier to move about.

[Sartori]

You can't use a driver other than the Eminence Kappalite 3015LF (for 15/6 or 1515/66), or the Eminence Kappalite 3012LF for the low frequency drivers. The fEarful designs are built around these speakers. With any other speakers, it isn't a fEarful, and the results of using other drivers in place of the long-excursion neo woofers used could be anywhere from passable to completely wretched, soundwise.

[MysticMichael]

Originally Posted by edgaroviz

This question is probably going to piss every Fearful fan off, but my friend imports 18sound stuff, and he builds cabs. Is there an 18sound speaker than I can use, just so I won't have to buy 2x15" Eminence speakers, and send them here?

I see no reason for anybody to get pissed off at a mere question. But I would suggest you could have done a lot more lurking and a lot more searching before posing that question. You'd discover that the fEarful cabs were designed around the unique properties of these specific Eminence Neo LF woofers. You can't simply drop in any other driver, and expect them to function comparably. It doesn't work that way.

Originally Posted by edgaroviz

Because the 1515\66 speakers are all 8ohms, and there are 2 of each, it gets down to 4 ohms, but only one horn is 8ohm. So if understand it correctly, I have to put in 2 horns?

No. One horn is sufficient.

MM

[Son of Bovril]

I spoke to Leland last night, he ships all the components to build fEARful cabs but he doesn't have rights to ship the Eminence speakers out of the country unless it is in a completed cab as far as I understand...

[dug dog]

I haven't researched it, but there may be some 18 Sound woofers that offer similar performance to the Kappalites.

The fEARful crossovers are designed for the Eminence woofs so one could either take a chance that they'd work OK with another speaker brand or retool the fEARful crossover to work with the new woofer.

How much money can you save by not using the Kappalites?

[staindbass]

15/6 will beat an 8x10 ? in what parameter ? if its truly better they will give you facts you can compare for yourself. its normal to believe a custom cabinet you had built will beat a store bought speaker. i see it here all the time. before you buy, try the 15/6 against an 8x10 decide which one, i bet you go 8x10. you may need twice the wattage to get the same stage volume as an 8x10. better to be sure than follow the herd.

[staindbass]

even better, ask the guys who say a 15/6 will beat an 8x10 if they will buy the 15/6 at your purchase price if you do not agree. i bet they clam up.

[dug dog]

Quoted from Greenboy:

"A 15/6 is as loud as most 310 cabs with one watt input, and more extended in response. With a lot of watts it can get as loud or louder than a 610 driven to its limits, and will sound fuller and more responsive while doing it."

[BurningSkies]

This

Originally Posted by staindbass

15/6 will beat an 8x10 ? in what parameter ? if its truly better they will give you facts you can compare for yourself. its normal to believe a custom cabinet you had built will beat a store bought speaker. i see it here all the time. before you buy, try the 15/6 against an 8x10 decide which one, i bet you go 8x10. you may need twice the wattage to get the same stage volume as an 8x10. better to be sure than follow the herd.

even better, ask the guys who say a 15/6 will beat an 8x10 if they will buy the 15/6 at your purchase price if you do not agree. i bet they clam up.

Plus

Originally Posted by dug dog

Quoted from Greenboy:

"A 15/6 is as loud as most 310 cabs with one watt input, and more extended in response. With a lot of watts it can get as loud or louder than a 610 driven to its limits, and will sound fuller and more responsive while doing it."

Equals a quick cup of why do you keep talking about a cab you've never heard or used? Again.

Follow the herd? Trust me the 8x10 herd is WAY bigger than any group using fEARfuls. You spend a lot of time talking down a cabinet that you have no idea about.

[Sundogue]

A 15/6 fEARful or an Ampeg 810? Apples and Oranges.

I'd like some more coffee. I might have a donut with it.

Does that help?

[Son of Bovril]

I have not tried a 15/6 but I must say, being able to take on an 810 is a pretty big claim... the 15/15/6/6 sure I could believe that maybe...

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by Son of Bovril

I have not tried a 15/6 but I must say, being able to take on an 810 is a pretty big claim... the 15/15/6/6 sure I could believe that maybe...

I don't think anyone with any experience is actually making that claim.

[Sundogue]

Originally Posted by Son of Bovril

I have not tried a 15/6 but I must say, being able to take on an 810 is a pretty big claim... the 15/15/6/6 sure I could believe that maybe...

Look, a 15/6 fEARful will blow away an 810 in the low end...no doubt about it. For pure volume in decibels throughout the bass frequency range? No.

But that's where the debate gets all muddied up.

fEARfuls will go louder and cleaner in the sub 100Hz. range than an 810. Many feel that sub 100Hz just creates mud. That is only true of many commercial bass cabs, but not a fEARful. That mud so many people refer to is actually a result of somewhere around 125Hz being pushed too much. NOT sub 100Hz.

Anyone who has ever pushed a fEARful 15/6 in the sub 100Hz region knows all too well what I'm referring to here. With a fEARful you can push the deep lows and actually cut 125Hz without having the bottom drop out of your bass or having to resort to boosting your mids to be heard.

Build two 15/6 cabs (which combined still weigh less than an 810), or a 1515/66 and you'll have a rig that will blow away an 810 by A LOT all across the frequency range and especially in the low end.

fEARfuls aren't loaded with your daddy's 15" speaker. Any comparison of any other 215 to an 810 has nothing to do with fEARfuls.

[staindbass]

Originally Posted by BurningSkies

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Equals a quick cup of why do you keep talking about a cab you've never heard or used? Again.

Follow the herd? Trust me the 8x10 herd is WAY bigger than any group using fEARfuls. You spend a lot of time talking down a cabinet that you have no idea about.

i own a kappalite 3015 in a vented enclosure, approx 3.5 cu ft. (no 6" but close enough) and an 8x10. would you like to stop over for a demonstration? the reason i spoke up is because i have done the comparison. how are you sure i have no idea before posting that? i thought you were a pro, im bummed out. no need to get defensive. i dont want the guy to buy one and be dissapointed after people tell him the 1x15 "blows away" the 8x10.

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by staindbass

i own a kappalite 3015 in a vented enclosure, approx 3.5 cu ft. (no 6" but close enough) and an 8x10. would you like to stop over for a demonstration? the reason i spoke up is because i have done the comparison. how are you sure i have no idea before posting that? i thought you were a pro, im bummed out. no need to get defensive. i dont want the guy to buy one and be dissapointed after people tell him the 1x15 "blows away" the 8x10.

The 3015 is not the same. Its a completely different speaker. Its also not 'close enough' not to have it in a similarly sized box if its not ported the same, crossed over similarly nor with a very sensitive 6.

Again...if you READ what the designer said:
"A 15/6 is as loud as most 310 cabs with one watt input, and more extended in response. With a lot of watts it can get as loud or louder than a 610 driven to its limits, and will sound fuller and more responsive while doing it."

You'll see, that doesn't say 810. I too have owned 810's in the past.

As usual, your posts are full of half truths, pseudo facts and lots of conjecture fluffed up by the expectation that people will believe you because you're in a band that some people have heard of.

[staindbass]

i have never talked down that cabinet. if anything i may have talked down peoples claims about it... if i was talking it down, i would have claimed my dual 18" and jbl horn makes an 8x10 and the fearfulls sound like toys. and having near flat response from 30hz up to 10 khz it does. but that not going to help anyone here, few can afford it, so i dont. i stick to the equipment being discussed.

[Sundogue]

Originally Posted by staindbass

i own a kappalite 3015 in a vented enclosure, approx 3.5 cu ft. (no 6" but close enough) and an 8x10. would you like to stop over for a demonstration? the reason i spoke up is because i have done the comparison. how are you sure i have no idea before posting that? i thought you were a pro, im bummed out. no need to get defensive. i dont want the guy to buy one and be dissapointed after people tell him the 1x15 "blows away" the 8x10.

Is it the 3015LF or the the non LF?

And I'm not one to believe a single 3015LF will blow away an 810 in volume (over the entire frequency range). The 810 has eight 10" speakers after all.

As I mentioned previously, a single 3015LF will be louder and cleaner in the sub 100Hz region than an 810. That much is true. But with enough power, two 3015LF's with the dedicated mids will be louder and go lower than an 810.

[staindbass]

my posts are full of half truths? the op says people tell him the 15/6 will beat any 8x10. thats what i posted about, not the designers claims. would you like to put some money on a bet so you will not assume that i assume people will believe me because of what band i am in? i have a real time analyzer and spl meter. i dont know where your attack is coming from. im always the guy saying" try before you buy", not believe me because i am in a band that sold some recordings. the 3015lf says 99.8 db sens, the 3015 says 100.8 sensitivity. the 3015 is louder. maybe you should go to my profile, and hit "block user" if you will not take me up on the bet. i dont like annoying people by sharing my experiences.

[staindbass]

i bet most (including me) would prefer two of those over the svt, but not one. i think i saw your band at katinas near northampton ma. back in the 80's ?