Fearful thread part 15 (/6?)

[AllFourths]

Originally Posted by dukeorock

Joseph (jHawk) has become a good friend...if I needed a builder I would have zero reservations about using him...serious craftsman, great person to deal with

That sounds pretty good, I go to PHX occasionally anyways, so that could definitely work. I like that Arnopol specifically works with composite, ultralight stuff though. Do you know if jHawk rolls will that scene?

[::::BASSIST::::]

No JHawk does not do fibreglass. However, some food for thought....

I have owned both a fibreglass 15/6 and a wooden 15/6 and honestly I would never go the fibreglass route again. They just seem way more delicate to me. If a driver bolt comes loose via a T-nut you could have big problems. To really simplify things fibreglass is essentially hard crumbly foam between two layers of hard "plastic". Generally, its quite strong and stiff but wherever their are holes for screws etc there is potential for a problem. With wood its seemingly much easier to fix with a bit of good wood glue etc. Anyway, just my opinion based on my experience with both. Italian Poplar is just a tad heavier but in my opinion the benefits of an actual wood cab make that small amount of weight worth it. This is coming from a big-time weight conscious guy.

My .02

[masonsjax]

Finally ordered my 12/6cube flat pack! I built my 15/6 from scratch and looking forward to assembling a box with precise cuts. I can't wait to fEAL what the two cabs are capable of together. Should be fun!

[Dekker]

Originally Posted by murphy

I wish I had someone as close as an hour away.
My nearest builder is 5 hours away at the minimum!

That depends on how fast you drive

Then again, if it was any other season than winter, the whole return trip up is a nice outing for a day!

Dekker

[lelandcrooks]

Originally Posted by masonsjax

Finally ordered my 12/6cube flat pack! I built my 15/6 from scratch and looking forward to assembling a box with precise cuts. I can't wait to fEAL what the two cabs are capable of together. Should be fun!

Cut it out yesterday. It will get biscuited today. 12/6 cubes are my nemesis, so I wait until my son gets here to finish them. I seem to screw up the biscuits in them every time.

I just sent you an email. Are you stacking these?

[masonsjax]

Yup, I need the reverse baffle. Thanks so much for catching my mistake and reaching out to me. Sorry for unleashing your nemesis... sorta I'm confident you'll win in the end.

[barryaudio]

NB: 12/6 Cube as standard does not need reverse baffle for 15/6 stacking

[monsterthompson]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

No JHawk does not do fibreglass. However, some food for thought....

I have owned both a fibreglass 15/6 and a wooden 15/6 and honestly I would never go the fibreglass route again. They just seem way more delicate to me. If a driver bolt comes loose via a T-nut you could have big problems. To really simplify things fibreglass is essentially hard crumbly foam between two layers of hard "plastic". Generally, its quite strong and stiff but wherever their are holes for screws etc there is potential for a problem. With wood its seemingly much easier to fix with a bit of good wood glue etc. Anyway, just my opinion based on my experience with both. Italian Poplar is just a tad heavier but in my opinion the benefits of an actual wood cab make that small amount of weight worth it. This is coming from a big-time weight conscious guy.

My .02

As a fiberglass owner, I've had some concerns. I'm not sure what I'd do if I had to go again. There is something "organic" about wood in a musical application.

That said, the BNA Fearless 15/6/1 designs look rad and light for a wood build. In fact the thought of two Fearless 12/6 cabs would probably be my ideal rig. Modular and loud.

[lelandcrooks]

Originally Posted by barryaudio

NB: 12/6 Cube as standard does not need reverse baffle for 15/6 stacking

I hate cubes.

[Stephent28]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

I have owned both a fibreglass 15/6 and a wooden 15/6 and honestly I would never go the fibreglass route again. They just seem way more delicate to me.

Some food for thought.....I own one of the last decent built AON's and they are extremely lightweight and sound fantastic....

but if you have issues down the road you are definitely SOL. It appears in my case that the speakers were cemented in place making removal without destroying the cab virtually impossible. Maybe the ones Mike makes are designed with a little better thought and effort behind them so that this would not be a problem.

To me, the extra savings in weight was DEFINITELY worth it. Saving 4-7 pounds may not seem like a lot, but being able to easily carry each cab in one hand without strain is a blessing in my book.

The first week I had mine, I did not have it secured properly in the SUV and it fell over and of course hit the only object in the back that could have damaged it....which it did....and put a big dent/hole in the top right corner. I got one of those epoxy mixing compounds and plugged the hole and smoothed it over and after 24 hours it was hard as a rock. Used some of the extra duratex that I received and by the next day after a little smoothing and sanding I guarantee you cannot tell that any damage was ever done. Not sure you could do this with a wood that got damaged or split without more effort.

If weight is a concern, I would definitely consider the composite build but I would talk to Mike about the concerns of replacing a speaker if problems develop down the road. It is very possible that this issue has been addressed and resolved. As long as you go into the process knowing the plus's and minus's, I think you would be happy.

[barryaudio]

Originally Posted by lelandcrooks

I hate cubes.

Haha ya I think they take me an extra hour to layout. Something about that design trips me up.

[CDweller]

Originally Posted by lelandcrooks

I hate cubes.

No doubt, but I loves me my Speaker Hardware built 12/6/1 cube!

[::::BASSIST::::]

Originally Posted by Stephent28

Some food for thought.....I own one of the last decent built AON's and they are extremely lightweight and sound fantastic....

but if you have issues down the road you are definitely SOL. It appears in my case that the speakers were cemented in place making removal without destroying the cab virtually impossible. Maybe the ones Mike makes are designed with a little better thought and effort behind them so that this would not be a problem.

To me, the extra savings in weight was DEFINITELY worth it. Saving 4-7 pounds may not seem like a lot, but being able to easily carry each cab in one hand without strain is a blessing in my book.

The first week I had mine, I did not have it secured properly in the SUV and it fell over and of course hit the only object in the back that could have damaged it....which it did....and put a big dent/hole in the top right corner. I got one of those epoxy mixing compounds and plugged the hole and smoothed it over and after 24 hours it was hard as a rock. Used some of the extra duratex that I received and by the next day after a little smoothing and sanding I guarantee you cannot tell that any damage was ever done. Not sure you could do this with a wood that got damaged or split without more effort.

If weight is a concern, I would definitely consider the composite build but I would talk to Mike about the concerns of replacing a speaker if problems develop down the road. It is very possible that this issue has been addressed and resolved. As long as you go into the process knowing the plus's and minus's, I think you would be happy.

Fair enough.

And to be sure I am 100% confident that Mike Arnopol would do a much better job in terms of craftsmanship and build quality than AoN.

[Passinwind]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

No JHawk does not do fibreglass. However, some food for thought....

I have owned both a fibreglass 15/6 and a wooden 15/6 and honestly I would never go the fibreglass route again. They just seem way more delicate to me. If a driver bolt comes loose via a T-nut you could have big problems. To really simplify things fibreglass is essentially hard crumbly foam between two layers of hard "plastic". Generally, its quite strong and stiff but wherever their are holes for screws etc there is potential for a problem. With wood its seemingly much easier to fix with a bit of good wood glue etc. Anyway, just my opinion based on my experience with both. Italian Poplar is just a tad heavier but in my opinion the benefits of an actual wood cab make that small amount of weight worth it. This is coming from a big-time weight conscious guy.

My .02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSxihhBzCjk

As usual, just depends on the implementation and how deep your pockets are. When's the last time you saw a wood Formula One car? Lots of composites don't use any foam at all...

Edit: That said, my main gigging cab is Italian Poplar and I totally dig it.

[monsterthompson]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

Fair enough.

And to be sure I am 100% confident that Mike Arnopol would do a much better job in terms of craftsmanship and build quality than AoN.

I have no AoN experience. Mike's build for me is well done, and he is mindful of furure repair work, including likely areas for stresses and damage. He'll tell you about it if you call him

[::::BASSIST::::]

Originally Posted by Passinwind

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSxihhBzCjk

As usual, just depends on the implementation and how deep your pockets are. When's the last time you saw a wood Formula One car? Lots of composites don't use any foam at all...

I think the key difference is I can fix a wooden cab, but fibreglass is a whole new animal. The other key difference... my pockets are not deep.

[::::BASSIST::::]

Originally Posted by monsterthompson

I have no AoN experience. Mike's build for me is well done, and he is midful of furure repair work, including likely areas for stresses and damage. He'll tell you about it if you call him

Mike's a stand-up guy.

[monsterthompson]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

I think the key difference is I can fix a wooden cab, but fibreglass is a whole new animal.

i live in SoCal, so I can hit up a surfboard shop to repair some items. or if i want to ship, i'll send it back to Mike.

[Passinwind]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

I think the key difference is I can fix a wooden cab, but fibreglass is a whole new animal.

Yep. I have way more experience repairing composites, personally. But I also feel that repairs should not be something I need concern myself with often or ever if I pay real money for a cab. The whole AON saga is just really sad.

[Bmorefoozler]

Fiberglass repairs are actually really easy. KItty Hair, sand, bondo, sand... duratex.