Fender Rumble + 4x10 ?

rydin4lifebass · #1 02-13-2012, 06:48 PM

My local guitar show has this head and amp sitting together and I'm thinking about buying them but wanted to get your input first.
I've had a few posts here before about looking for something to give me more power and versatility than my 1x12 70W combo amp and also something that can handle a low B.

What are the two different speaker outs on this for? I'm not familiar with that?

Fender Rumble 350 350W Bass Amp Head: Shop Bass & Other Musical Instruments | Musician's Friend

Fender Rumble 410 4x10 Bass Speaker Cabinet: Shop Bass & Other Musical Instruments | Musician's Friend

rydin4lifebass · #2 02-14-2012, 08:45 PM

Really? No one has any thoughts on this?

elavate7 · #3 02-14-2012, 09:00 PM

i think it is a great combo!!!!!

pica · #4 02-14-2012, 09:12 PM

My local guitar store had this head and cab paired together. I thought it really sounded great. I'd get it.

rydin4lifebass · #5 02-15-2012, 06:06 AM

Any problems with the amp being 350W and the cab being 1000W ?

Also, I couldn't find the ohms for the amp...I assume they're running at the same to be paired together?

tdub0199 · #6 02-15-2012, 06:26 AM

For that kind of money I think you could do far better by buying something else used... If you do decide to go the "Fender Rumble" route, there will be no problem running that 350w head with a 1000w cab, under powering a cab is a big ole myth.....

**CL400Peavey** · #7 02-15-2012, 06:34 AM

That cab is 1000w program and 500 continuous. This is all marking smoke being blown. The cab can probably handle around the 350 watts that head produces. Those limits are thermal limits, how hot the voice coils will get before they fail. The speakers will most likely fart out at a much lower level due to their excursion limits being much lower.

rydin4lifebass · #8 02-15-2012, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

That cab is 1000w program and 500 continuous. This is all marking smoke being blown. The cab can probably handle around the 350 watts that head produces. Those limits are thermal limits, how hot the voice coils will get before they fail. The speakers will most likely fart out at a much lower level due to their excursion limits being much lower.

So if I'm throwing a low B at it, you don't think they'll handle it well?

**CL400Peavey** · #9 02-15-2012, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rydin4lifebass

So if I'm throwing a low B at it, you don't think they'll handle it well?

Dont know... would have to find the frequency response specs. Even if it goes low enough, the low end may fart out way sooner than you think at stage volume.

jthurston · #10 02-15-2012, 10:09 AM

I don't think that Fender Rumble 410 cabinet will "fart out" at any level that you can produce with the Rumble 350 head. I've used an Ampeg pf500 and a Marshall MB450 through mine, with no problems at any volume for about a year now (admittedly, I'm not throwing a low B at it).

I think the Rumble 350 and Rumble 410 cab were basically designed to be used together.

Just as an aside, my Rumble 410 cabinet has been dropped, kicked over, rolled down a sidewalk, and even rained on (it rained hard, too), and still plays beautifully. I'm thinking about getting another one next month.

**CL400Peavey** · #11 02-15-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rydin4lifebass

What are the two different speaker outs on this for? I'm not familiar with that?

Fender Rumble 350 350W Bass Amp Head: Shop Bass & Other Musical Instruments | Musician's Friend

Those are paralleled speaker connectors. If you were going to use two of these cabs you could hook your head to one of those jacks, and your other cab to the other one.

Two 4 Ohm cabs in parallel produce a 2 Ohm impedance load. If your head isnt set to work with a load that low, it could damage it. There are heads that are quite happy at 2 Ohms, from your link I cant tell if the fender is but I suspect not.

rydin4lifebass · #12 02-15-2012, 10:38 AM

I'm not sure what the head is...but say its 4 ohms at 350W...so I could power one 4 ohm cab with that 350 or split it to two 8 ohm cabs giving 175 to each?

**CL400Peavey** · #13 02-15-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rydin4lifebass

I'm not sure what the head is...but say its 4 ohms at 350W...so I could power one 4 ohm cab with that 350 or split it to two 8 ohm cabs giving 175 to each?

Correct. That is why a lot of people here encourage getting 8 Ohm cabs, it lets you expand.

The volume difference between a 4 Ohm 410 and an 8 Ohm 410 will be minimal. You WILL get more clean headroom with a 4 Ohm cab.

What kind of budget are you really looking at for a head and cab?

bichibreaker · #14 02-15-2012, 11:23 AM

I use my rumble 4x10 with my ampeg v4b...for me it's a good cab for the price

oldcatfish · #15 02-15-2012, 11:31 AM

Don't let the "Rumble" name fool you. These heads/cabs are good workhorse units. Not top of the line, but certainly decent.

rydin4lifebass · #16 02-15-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Correct. That is why a lot of people here encourage getting 8 Ohm cabs, it lets you expand.

The volume difference between a 4 Ohm 410 and an 8 Ohm 410 will be minimal. You WILL get more clean headroom with a 4 Ohm cab.

What kind of budget are you really looking at for a head and cab?

Makes sense. What is the volume difference between one 4ohm 4x10 at 350 watts versus two 8 ohm 4x10 cabs at 175 each? The total wattage is the same but the 2 410's would be louder because they're moving more air? Is that how that works?

**CL400Peavey** · #17 02-15-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rydin4lifebass

Makes sense. What is the volume difference between one 4ohm 4x10 at 350 watts versus two 8 ohm 4x10 cabs at 175 each? The total wattage is the same but the 2 410's would be louder because they're moving more air? Is that how that works?

Pretty much. Wattage doesnt equal volume. Displacement equals volume.

Look at it this way.
To produce sound you have to move air. The more air you move the louder you will be. If you are limited by the area of speakers you have, say in a 410, you have to move those speakers in and out more to gain more volume. This means you will run into a displacement limitation(xMax), the speaker cant move in and out any further before it breaks up. Not all speakers have the same amount of xMax, but if they are with in a similar range you will have to increase the amount of speakers to increase volume. So in general cabs with larger cone area are louder.

A different example to illustrate the same point.
Lets say you have a 210 cab, and you are powering it with a 350 watt head. With this head you are reaching the physical limitations of the cab, the point of fart out. Now lets say you use a 500 watt, or 1000 watt, or a 10,000 watt power supply. That 210 cab isnt going to get any louder before it farts out, it is still limited to the excursion limits of the drivers.

rydin4lifebass · #18 02-15-2012, 01:09 PM

That makes sense. Right now I'm using a 70W 12" combo and it hits the "fart out" too quick so I was looking to increase the space I have for playing some jams and having good quality on my own. I need something to handle a low B and also like the fact that the rumble 350 has line in and headphone out, plus I have two local shops that sell them with warranties...and I have the space for a 410 and that head...not the space for a big 2x15 or 8x10 (right now anyway).

kmqu601 · #19 02-15-2012, 01:15 PM

I've been using a rumble 410 for the past 6 months as my main gig cab. I have it paired with an SVT3-pro and it's been really solid, considering the price I paid for it. I needed something fairly inexpensive that could take a beating and so far its been reliable. A few gigs have (unfortunately) reached that "too loud" level and the cab hasn't farted out yet.

rockscott · #20 02-15-2012, 04:04 PM

My primary amp these days is a rumble 150 head & the 410 cab, both 4 ohms. Very happy with this set up, it sounds great with all my basses, plenty of low end and the horn cranks out the highs. I cant say much about the low b, bass is a 4 string deal to me, i dont get the 5 & 6 string love?