Fender TB-600 or TB-1200 ??

BG6654 · #1 08-03-2010, 04:46 AM

Needing advice to match cabinet(s) with either TB-600 or TB-1200. Would prefer getting the TB600 but concerned if wattage and ohms is a match and is it enough umph ??
CABS:
Eden D410T and 210XST @ 8 ohms, used separately or together.
GIGIN':
Modest stage volume for R&B or indie pop, can often get away with just the 410. But want enough CLEAN power to use with both 210 & 410 together.

Comments and suggestions Please...

JimmyM · #2 08-03-2010, 04:53 AM

600w is way more than enough for most people.

waleross · #3 08-03-2010, 06:20 AM

+1 that 600 watts is way more than enough. I have the Fender TB1200 and its in my rack since it vents through the front. Either one is worth checking out. I run my Ampeg cabs through it with no problem. You should be able to do the same with most cabs.......

BG6654 · #4 08-03-2010, 12:08 PM

Admittedly I'm ignorant with regards to ohms and amps.. so you think theres much difference in TB600 power handling/ratings due to these cabs rated at 8 ohms each??

JimmyM · #5 08-03-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BG6654

Admittedly I'm ignorant with regards to ohms and amps.. so you think theres much difference in TB600 power handling/ratings due to these cabs rated at 8 ohms each??

the cab's power handling rating stays the same regardless of impedance. and in the case of eden cabs, their specs are grossly overstated. some would even call their specs out and out lies. i am one of them. they're fine sounding cabs, but the power handling ratings are basically a joke. there's not a 210 out there that can handle a full 500w. you'll be lucky to put 250w worth of power through it before it starts to rattle and sound like it's going to blow up. you're going to use less power than you think you will. if it were me i'd get the 600, but as long as you keep the volume in check, you could use the 1200, too.

BG6654 · #6 08-03-2010, 12:59 PM

Very cool.. Thanks!!
Also like the MUCH lighter TB600 at about 32 lbs compared to 48 lbs on the TB1200

faulknersj · #7 08-03-2010, 01:04 PM

600 would be plenty. Great heads by the way. I used to have a Fender TBP-1 pre amp and a seperate 1200 watt fender power amp and the tone was just gorgeous. I might recommend selling the 2 cabs in favor of aquiring one bad a$$ 4 ohm cab. This way you could utilize all 600 watts if u needed to. I know that my 600 watt head pumps 600 watts into a 4ohm cab, but only 375 watts into an 8ohm cab.

tombowlus · #8 08-03-2010, 01:19 PM

I had the TB600, TB1200, and a bunch of their cabs in for review (though unfortunately, Fender needed them back before we were able to complete the review...

), and I was able to put them all through their paces. That TB600 is hella loud, and if you are only going to drive one 4-ohm cab, it will be all that you will need. Those heads and cabs all sound great, btw.

Chris Rhoades · #9 08-03-2010, 01:25 PM

The 600 has more power than you're ever need. I have put it through about 400 gigs with no problems anywhere. Small rooms, with no bass in the mains to shows in-front of 3000 people in an outside venue.

JimmyM · #10 08-03-2010, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Rhoades

The 600 has more power than you're ever need. I have put it through about 400 gigs with no problems anywhere. Small rooms, with no bass in the mains to shows in-front of 3000 people in an outside venue.

not only is chris an extremely talented pro musician who plays with some pretty serious heavyweights, he's the handsomest bassist in the world. he makes pete wentz look like fred mertz. i'm not gay, but...

Chris Rhoades · #11 08-03-2010, 02:00 PM

I used to play shows with Pete's various bands back in all of our hardcore days, extinction, birthright and so on. I still have a demo cd of his own personal band, cant remember the name of the band, but he did put a hear on it and signed it Pete. haha, thanks JimmyM

RickenBoogie · #12 08-03-2010, 05:58 PM

Fred Murtz was quite the looker, back in his day. I ain't gay 'nither, but you know, just sayin'.

jastacey · #13 08-03-2010, 07:06 PM

I'd say if you have a good efficient cabinet, get the the 600 watter ...but if it was me, I'd go with the 1200 watter, not much heavier, but not as heavy as a SVT or other large tube amp ... I have the Bassman 1200 pro which is the predecessor to the TB series .... and I like having that power/head room ...

Son of Bovril · #14 08-04-2010, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

the cab's power handling rating stays the same regardless of impedance. and in the case of eden cabs, their specs are grossly overstated. some would even call their specs out and out lies. i am one of them. they're fine sounding cabs, but the power handling ratings are basically a joke. there's not a 210 out there that can handle a full 500w. you'll be lucky to put 250w worth of power through it before it starts to rattle and sound like it's going to blow up. you're going to use less power than you think you will. if it were me i'd get the 600, but as long as you keep the volume in check, you could use the 1200, too.

I put the 800watts from the Fender MB-1200 (same power section as the TB-1200 I think?) into a single ampeg BXT210M at 4ohms and that cab really needs it to get a decent volume and response from it, even though it is only rated for 400watts (800watts peak)

The Ampeg BXT cabs seem Quite power hungry to me... I think a 300watt amp would be clipping way before I was getting what I wanted from the cab.

BG6654 · #15 08-04-2010, 05:41 AM

The Edens are 8 ohms cabs.. with TB-600
1) Both 210 & 410 used (in parallel) would be 4 ohm with 600 watts to each ??
2) Only using 410 at 8 ohm would be 300 watts, right ?

FENDER SPECS
TB1200: 1200 watts @ 2 ohms, 800 watts @ 4 ohms, 550 watts @ 8 ohms (34 lbs)
GuitarCenter has it at 48 lbs??
TB600: Output: 600 watts @ 4 ohms, 400 watts @ 8 ohms (32 lbs)
GuitarCenter has it at 48 lbs??

tombowlus · #16 08-04-2010, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BG6654

The Edens are 8 ohms cabs.. with TB-600
1) Both 210 & 410 used (in parallel) would be 4 ohm with 600 watts to each ??
2) Only using 410 at 8 ohm would be 300 watts, right ?

FENDER SPECS
TB1200: 1200 watts @ 2 ohms, 800 watts @ 4 ohms, 550 watts @ 8 ohms (34 lbs)
GuitarCenter has it at 48 lbs??
TB600: Output: 600 watts @ 4 ohms, 400 watts @ 8 ohms (32 lbs)
GuitarCenter has it at 48 lbs??

No, if you are driving two 8-ohm cabs, you get a 4-ohm load, with those 600 watts getting split between the cabs - meaning each cab gets 300 watts.

When you drive a single 8-ohm cab, going by Fender's specs, you would get 400 watts.

BG6654 · #17 08-04-2010, 07:18 AM

I think I'm finally getting it ... thanks Tom!!
Still curious why Fender has weight at 32 & 34 lbs and GC has them at 48lbs ??

jastacey · #18 08-04-2010, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BG6654

I think I'm finally getting it ... thanks Tom!!
Still curious why Fender has weight at 32 & 34 lbs and GC has them at 48lbs ??

I believe GC ,is using the shipping weights, with a little padding, weight wise

JimmyM · #19 08-04-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Son of Bovril

I put the 800watts from the Fender MB-1200 (same power section as the TB-1200 I think?) into a single ampeg BXT210M at 4ohms and that cab really needs it to get a decent volume and response from it, even though it is only rated for 400watts (800watts peak)

The Ampeg BXT cabs seem Quite power hungry to me... I think a 300watt amp would be clipping way before I was getting what I wanted from the cab.

not familiar with the bxt cabs, but the eden cabs don't need it to pop. however, you did get me...you named a cab that needed it to pop...there are always exceptions, eh?

A_E_A · #20 08-04-2010, 09:02 PM

The TB-600 is more than enough power. I have been using one for about 6 months now and it is more than loud enough for big venues and small. I previously had an eden wt550 which i was always on the verge of clipping because it just didnt have enough volume. The fender has great power, great tone and seems very balanced around the room. I found with some amps that you can walk to different areas and the tone changes but with the fender it seemed balanced. I know this should have more to do with the cab but using the same cab in the same spot the tone and volume seemed to change more using an SA200 and an eden wt550 compared to the fender. The sound guy and other band members seemed to agree. Not sure whats going on there though.

Anyway I was in the same predicament about getting the 1200 from using amps that i felt were underpowered but i found a 2nd hand tb600 and it has more than I need. Great amp especially for the price.