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Old 04-22-2011, 12:26 PM
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Finally had a chance to test drive some amps...

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Man, the search for my next amp/cab continues.

Just to let you know, I currently have an SVT classic with SVT 410HLF. I was never totally happy with the sound because it has never been able to even come close to the sound I use in the studio (which is my preferred sound). With that, I've chosen to let it go in favor of something smaller and easier to lug around.

Anyhow, I finally had some time to stop in to a few music stores and try out some gear. The first thing, and surprisingly, I do not like the sound of anything made by Markbass. I was actually shocked, given that I've heard nothing but good things on this forum and reviews elsewhere. We all know that sound is a matter of taste, so I know that it's me. But after trying out most of what that company offers, nothing worked for me at all. Unfortunately, I wanted to like it because the equipment is so light.

Next, I moved onto some Line 6 stuff. Again, the sound just wasn't right. Everything had a... I don't know what you'd call it, but almost a "cheap" sound. Like something created for mass market. I don't know hard to describe. I think it was just missing character.

Next, I tried a bunch of Acoustic combos and heads. Unfortunately, the tone no matter how I arranged the eq, sounded really muddy to my ear. It's too bad, because in the early days, I liked their stuff.

Next, I tried some newer Ampegs. Some combos, some heads. Again, most of what I heard was a not-so-warm version of the SVT. I was done with that because that's the sound I've been using for a while and I wanted to get away from it.

Next up, Gallien-Krueger. I remember back in the day when these things first came out, I wrote them off quickly because they had that new SS sound and I wasn't used to it. They just weren't for me. But after trying a few heads and combos, I have say, they were much better to my ear than the Markbass and everything else I've tried up until this point. Unfortunately, it didn't really offer the type of meaty sound I was looking for, but was still surprisingly better than everything else I've played.

Next up, SWR. I used to own an SWR combo that I used for smaller venues, and I regret selling because I loved the sound, so I was enjoying what I was trying out. SWR definitely has a signature sound that appeals to me. At this point, GK and SWR was better sounding amps to my ear, but still more options ahead...

Next, Genz Benz. I tried one of the Shuttle series and the Streamliner. Again, wrote them off just as fast as the Markbass. Instant dissatisfaction. I don't know what it is, my age? Who knows? I know a lot of people really love this stuff, but man, I just can't grasp it. Everything, no matter which cab I tried them with, just sounded dead. Almost like the amps were too hot for their own good. I really don't know how to describe it.

Next, there were a few Behringer combos that I tried in one of the stores, and I quickly unplugged and moved on.

Next, TC Electronics. Well, I'm sure anyone who has read to this point knows what I did. Unplugged and moved on. What I had tried seemed to be in the same category as the Markbass and GB to my ears. Sorry TCE lovers!

Ok, here's the most unexpected surprise that I was hoping for. In fact, what I was hoping to love were the Markbass (which now I consider very overrated), but I just couldn't believe my ears when I tried this combo. I plugged the Rickenbacker 4003 (I always bring my own instrument to the store) into the Fender TB-600C and started playing. All I can say is WOW!! Now this was something that instantly grabbed my attention! Nice and warm, deep tones; I could hear the Rick clearly with no over coloring, and it was really loud at low master volume settings. It seemed to have nice natural compression (which was missing from every amp I tried up until this point) and just stuck out like a sore thumb from the rest. Who would have thought that a Fender bass amp would be the best sounding? It's crazy! Anyhow, then I looked at the price tag. I was expecting it to be somewhere around $300 - $500 at the most for such a small combo, but no, this was $1000! At that point, I was thinking, do I really have to pay that much money for a Fender combo!? Anyway, the guy at the store then directed me to a separate head of the same type and had it plugged into a bigger cab: Fender 215 PRO. Again, WOW! What an amazing sound! I was totally blown away by this thing.

At this point I was done testing stuff. I've had the combo on my mind since, but I feel I still need to try more brands. The Fender is great, but it's still a bit heavy for my liking at 100lbs, but doable.

I really don't know what else to try. The Fender sounds better than my SVT, and none of the really ultra light stuff comes even close. But again, it's all subjective and matches my style. Should I go for it? Wait for a used one? Ahhh... the decisions! Well I'll be selling my SVT soon, so I think I'll have a little money to blow. Got to act soon though, new band.

I'm a bit surprised that I haven't seen these amps mentioned on this forum. I did some searching and there's a few threads, but not many. Again, could be my age and/or playing style. Maybe Fender isn't hip to most bass players these days. I don't know.

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Old 04-22-2011, 12:43 PM
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It sounds like you've done exactly what you need to do and tried as many as you could. Glad you found what you were looking for. As for other brands, it's only limited by what's in your area. I've been lucky buying sound unheard, but it could easily have gone the other way. As you've discovered, others' opinions mean f%$# all.
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You might consider keep the CL and getting a different cabinet. I had that exact rig, and IMO/IME, you can do better with another cab. If you try a Berg NV, you will retain the classic warmth but have more fidelity and punch than you are getting with the Ampeg cab.
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Old 04-22-2011, 12:51 PM
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Why didn't you try Hartke?
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Old 04-22-2011, 12:54 PM
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Why didn't you try Hartke?
Unfortunately, they didn't have any in the stores that I went to. But I've heard nothing but good reviews about their latest gear.
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You might consider keep the CL and getting a different cabinet. I had that exact rig, and IMO/IME, you can do better with another cab. If you try a Berg NV, you will retain the classic warmth but have more fidelity and punch than you are getting with the Ampeg cab.
Hmm, any recommendations for a different cab? I always found that SVTs sound best with Ampeg cabs. But again, it's the portability that's mostly the problem. I can't fit big cabs in my car. Do you really think a smaller cab like 210 will sound good with an SVT-CL??
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Based on your tests and thoughts, I'd suggest trying a Mesa boogie, preferently a M3 or M6.
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Based on your tests and thoughts, I'd suggest trying a Mesa boogie, preferently a M3 or M6.
I definitely will if I can find them on my next excursion. Thanks for the advice.
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Based on your tests and thoughts, I'd suggest trying a Mesa boogie, preferently a M3 or M6.
+1 to Mesa -- you don't want to leave them out of your search.

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I tried the Fender 1200 + 215 and the 610 as an option and man they both sound great!....
LOVE the tones and sounds also. BUT as you say the cost is alittle high. If I were you and if you like the fender then I would sell your gear and just go for it. It is hard to find a sound you really like and what I've learned over the years is once you find it don't let it go, you may regret it for a awhile. Just a thought....Good Luck on your search and decision.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:22 PM
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I tried the Fender 1200 + 215 and the 610 as an option and man they both sound great!....
LOVE the tones and sounds also. BUT as you say the cost is alittle high. If I were you and if you like the fender then I would sell your gear and just go for it. It is hard to find a sound you really like and what I've learned over the years is once you find it don't let it go, you may regret it for a awhile. Just a thought....Good Luck on your search and decision.
+1. I've owned a few Fender amps and combos over the years and liked them very much. The prices don't seem that out of line for quality gear, there are plenty of $1000+ combos and amps out there.
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I tried the Fender 1200 + 215 and the 610 as an option and man they both sound great!....
LOVE the tones and sounds also. BUT as you say the cost is alittle high. If I were you and if you like the fender then I would sell your gear and just go for it. It is hard to find a sound you really like and what I've learned over the years is once you find it don't let it go, you may regret it for a awhile. Just a thought....Good Luck on your search and decision.
Thanks for the good words. And I agree. There's definitely a few instruments in my lifetime that I really regret selling. And the search for a great sound is not something that's easily found. Some people never find it. One thing I can say, is that I found the bass that I truly love, which is the Rickenbacker 4003. I've tried almost every bass ever made, and I always go back to the Rick. It's strange how things like that happen.
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Hmm, any recommendations for a different cab? I always found that SVTs sound best with Ampeg cabs. But again, it's the portability that's mostly the problem. I can't fit big cabs in my car. Do you really think a smaller cab like 210 will sound good with an SVT-CL??
I missed the part about downsizing - Berg NV's are the way to go for bigger cabs at least. If you want to go to something as small as a 210, then I wouldn't bother to lug the CL.
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Save your money and get the Fender. Try others as well, but it sounds like you'd regret it if you didn't go with the fender. Mesa amps are wonderful but even pricier.
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don't forget Peavey. I know they get a lot of flack but might as well cover the waterfront, they're ubiquitous so shouldn't be hard to find a couple to try regardless of where you are.
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The only part I don't get is that it seems to me that the cab is a pretty important part of the evaluation. Good for trying a bunch of heads, but you really can get some pretty different results with various cabs. Maybe shouldn't be that way, but it is. The most satisfying combo for my purposes I've found is the Shuttle 9 and the Berg NV610, which is a wholly unlikely pairing, but go figure.

Anyhow, I didn't see that you tried the various Mesa heads, and they really ought to be on the short list. Best of luck! You're on the right path.
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I also spent alot of time researching amp heads trying to find THE ONE.

Markbass didnt work for me either, I believe the Markbass shines best with active electronics. Just my 2 cents.

found my love in an Eden wt405 paired with my SWR goliath III.

Have your tried the Eden heads yet?
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Hmm, any recommendations for a different cab? I always found that SVTs sound best with Ampeg cabs. But again, it's the portability that's mostly the problem. I can't fit big cabs in my car. Do you really think a smaller cab like 210 will sound good with an SVT-CL??
If you can find someone nearby with an Acme B2 try it with your SVT-CL. My son had an early 70's SVT that I tried with my B2 and it sounded fantastic.

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I went through a very similar test out several years ago at a Sam Ash in Ontario CA. Played through everything they had and to my surprise the Fender had the best sounding combo amp in the store. At that time there was no TB600C but even the smaller amps blew away the competetion. So eventually I bought the TB600C and a 115PRO cab to go with it. It is without a doubt the best amp I've ever owned and I have had many differen't amps, from combo's to an 8-10 SVT stack.

If weight is an issue, the casters help with that. Or separate the head from the cabinet. They you'd be hauling 60lbs and 40lbs.

On price, you said is was leagues above the competetion. So if it costs more then you are getting value for the extra $ right? And remember that though this is sold as a combo amp, technically is is a PRO Head mounted into a combo cab. So if you are compairing prices be sure to compair with a compatible head and 2-10 cab from other manufacturers.
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Sounds like you were at a GC.

I know it's hard to find, but there are other stores / brands out there.
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