Fliptops, sealed 4 ohm 410, eminence delta 10B

derridiandrift · #1 12-23-2010, 07:35 AM

I'm looking for anecdotal experience and opinions on the following idea...

I'd like to have a sealed 410, 4 ohms. Fliptops.net has this number that they would build for me with some more modern conveniences at very little extra cost: http://www.fliptops.net/catalog/prod...roducts_id=448

I'm thinking that if I get them to build it, I'll get Eminence Delta 10B drivers, speakons, spring handles, steel corners, removable casters, cups for my SVT on the top.

Rationale: I'm assuming that this cab will sound like half of my Ampeg 810, but built better than the 410HE I used to own. It would be 4 ohms, which is only attainable by re-loading a 410HE cab with different drivers.

What do you think? Should I bother with this or look for something like a used Aggie DB410, which I believe is a sealed 410? I'm looking for opinions on Fliptops cabs, Eminence Delta 10B drivers in a sealed box, ideas about alternative approaches to achieving the same ends.

MN_Bass · #2 12-23-2010, 07:44 AM

Sounds like a great solution, wish I would have found it when I had my SVT.

billfitzmaurice · #3 12-23-2010, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by derridiandrift

Eminence Delta 10B drivers in a sealed box,.

The Delta 10 is totally unsuited to a sealed cab. You should not consider any driver with an EBP of more than 80 for a sealed cab, with less than 70 being preferred. The Delta 10 EBP is 189.

derridiandrift · #4 12-23-2010, 07:54 AM

Nice info. That's what I'm looking for. Which driver would you suggest, remembering that I'm looking to build a 4 ohm box?

Volume4 · #5 12-23-2010, 09:48 AM

Have you emailed Eminence?

They're very helpful most of the time

Also, what did Bruce say?

I'd be curious if whatever 10" Eminence speaker is in the Ampeg Micro cab would work....cuz I love the tone of that cab and am seriosuly considering a second one and using that as a "4x10"

derridiandrift · #6 12-23-2010, 10:28 AM

Volume4 you bring up the very things I've been thinking about...

Bruce is less particular than some of the people who design and build speakers here on TB. He has a few options, like the EH drivers that he stocks as replacements in 810 cabs. I guess I'm soliciting second opinions. I'm hesitant because I'd be taking a chance on a cab that I won't be able to hear until I pay for it, and there might be other options that might cost the same or even less money and will get me exactly what I want.

Haven't emailed Eminence yet.

I don't know what drivers are in that Micro VR cab, but I'm considering just buying two of those cabs and saving myself the hassle of having a cab built. I'd also jump at a 410HE with blown drivers and then just re-load it with 16 ohm drivers instead of 32.

christw · #7 12-23-2010, 10:31 AM

What are the drivers that Ampeg is putting into the new Heritage series that seem to have great reviews as only second to an old flat back 810? I bet they'd do great in a 410 and I believe they're Eminence.

derridiandrift · #8 12-23-2010, 10:34 AM

Emailed Eminence just now. I'll post their response.

derridiandrift · #9 12-23-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by christw

What are the drivers that Ampeg is putting into the new Heritage series that seem to have great reviews as only second to an old flat back 810? I bet they'd do great in a 410 and I believe they're Eminence.

Good idea. The only problem I see is that those drivers are 32 ohms. Not all drivers are made in 16 and 32 ohm versions, and I need a 16 ohm driver. This is worth chasing though.

billfitzmaurice · #10 12-23-2010, 10:40 AM

The only off the shelf Eminence that are sealed friendly and available as 4 ohm to get a 4 ohm 4x cab is the BP102-4, and it's weak in the mids. The best driver they make for sealed is the B810, but they're only available in 32 ohms.

blastjv · #11 12-23-2010, 10:59 AM

I'm pretty sure the speakers in the SVT210AV are 4 ohm. Read that somewhere (so it may not be reliable).

Oh, and the Aggie DB's are rear ported, but the 210 I had was amazing...and sexy as hell in Chocolate Thunder!!!

-JV

derridiandrift · #12 12-23-2010, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

The best driver they [Eminence] make for sealed is the B810, but they're only available in 32 ohms.

Ya, that was my impression as well.

Maybe this one?...
http://www.jensentone.com/mod10-50.php

"I'm pretty sure the speakers in the SVT210AV are 4 ohm"
That could be the case... the cabs are 8 ohm, so they could be two 4 ohm drivers wired in series.

JimmyM · #13 12-23-2010, 11:50 AM

the only problem i can see with the mod 50's is that they don't take very much power, thus defeating the likely reason you're going for a 4 ohm cab.

Mr. Foxen · #14 12-23-2010, 12:06 PM

Bet he's after a 4 ohm cab because he only has 4 and 2 ohm taps on his head.

blastjv · #15 12-23-2010, 12:45 PM

If you're looking to use it with your SVT, then I was thinking the same thing. Thought about loading a 410 with Mod 70's which would bring the power handling up to 280 watts, and if you don't go after it like you would with an 810 you should be cool.....

-JV

JimmyM · #16 12-23-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Foxen

Bet he's after a 4 ohm cab because he only has 4 and 2 ohm taps on his head.

doh! missed that! that'll learn me to cursory read

just buy a heritage 810e and be done with it!

derridiandrift · #17 12-23-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

just buy a heritage 810e and be done with it!

I already have an 810 and rock it like I stole it. Not looking for another. I'd like to have Fliptops build a 4 ohm 410 for a few reasons:

1. Smaller box for smaller situations.

2. I've tried virtually ever speaker combination over the years. I like 10s and that's just how it is. 2x10 is usually not enough for my gigs. 4x10 is the sweet spot. 8x10 is glorious, but I already have that.

3. 4 ohm so that I can use the 4 ohm tap on my SVT, but also because, when I have to use a solid state amp, I prefer running them at 4 ohms instead of 8 to get all the juice.

4. Rehearsal room situation has a couple of solid state amps that I would use instead of dragging my own along. I'm looking at buying a micro-amp of some description as backup.

After all is said and done, the only reason I'm looking for a sealed 410 is that the Ampeg 810 is my all-time fav. cabinet. If I could find a ported 410 that is voiced similar to the 810, I could just buy that instead.

Keep the great ideas rolling!!! I like it.

tombowlus · #18 12-23-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by derridiandrift

After all is said and done, the only reason I'm looking for a sealed 410 is that the Ampeg 810 is my all-time fav. cabinet. If I could find a ported 410 that is voiced similar to the 810, I could just buy that instead.

Keep the great ideas rolling!!! I like it.

What you want is an old B-40, like this:

Or, if you want to consider a new build, the Reeves sealed 4x10 is very nice:

derridiandrift · #19 12-23-2010, 02:06 PM

Tom, I think that B-40 is what the Fliptops cab in my first post is intended to replicate. Is yours 4 ohms? Want to sell it to me?

tombowlus · #20 12-23-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by derridiandrift

Tom, I think that B-40 is what the Fliptops cab in my first post is intended to replicate. Is yours 4 ohms? Want to sell it to me?

Actually, it's 8 ohms, but no, I don't want to sell it to you.

I will say this, though, it captures much of that 810 fridge tone/vibe in a much more manageable package. It's a wide cab, though, as you can tell with that V-4B on top.

Here's the back panel: